Cubs' Prospects FUTUREBONER thread

[Slaky]

I read an interesting take that Starlin Castro could be flipped for pitching to the Yankees or Mets.

I don't think either of them have any pitching that's worth Castro.

There's Stephen Matz (#10) Rafael Montero (#2) and Noah Syndergaard (#1) with the Mets and Ian Clarkin (#10) and Jose Ramirez (#9) for the Yankees. Not much with the Yankees it appears.

You don't think a package with Syndergaard from the Mets would suffice for Castro?

Fuck trading Castro. He's an all star ML shortstop RIGHT NOW.

[Powdered Toast Man]

Like SKO said, I'm comfortable with the Cubs just building a massive offense and then throwing shit at the wall for pitching every year. If they feel comfortable spending on an established pitcher who's proven to be durable (like Lester), that's probably fine. But it's pretty clearly become a bad bet to invest heavily in pitching prospects.

Yeah, I like what SKO said and it makes a lot of sense. BTW, I wasn't implying Syndergaard for Castro straight up. But I was wondering if they have a package to put together including Syndergaard. Anyway, the Cubs are in a great position to be competitive.

One more thing...them trading both Samardzija and Hammel to the same team could effectively boost Edwin Jackson's stock? That was two of the most available and sought after pitching trade pieces being dealt in one trade.

ETA: And to what Slaky said, I agree. I think it'd be best for the Cubs to keep Castro. The trade thing isn't my idea, just something I read and wanted to talk about.

[Tonker]

Like SKO said, I'm comfortable with the Cubs just building a massive offense and then throwing shit at the wall for pitching every year. If they feel comfortable spending on an established pitcher who's proven to be durable (like Lester), that's probably fine. But it's pretty clearly become a bad bet to invest heavily in pitching prospects.

Yeah, I like what SKO said and it makes a lot of sense. BTW, I wasn't implying Syndergaard for Castro straight up. But I was wondering if they have a package to put together including Syndergaard. Anyway, the Cubs are in a great position to be competitive.

One more thing...them trading both Samardzija and Hammel to the same team could effectively boost Edwin Jackson's stock? That was two of the most available and sought after pitching trade pieces being dealt in one trade.

ETA: And to what Slaky said, I agree. I think it'd be best for the Cubs to keep Castro. The trade thing isn't my idea, just something I read and wanted to talk about.

Nah.  You can't polish a turd.

[Slaky]

The Cubs pitching in the first half of the last 2-3 seasons (let's use before the first SP is dealt as a benchmark) has been good enough to be in contention. it's been the hitting that's stunk.

Of course if someone wants to look up the actual numbers that'd be cool. I'm filtering through old emails while I was off work.

Eli made the point earlier, the FO has shown they know how to cobble together a rotation. They're clearly fine with spending on FA starters but talking about trading someone flourishing at the major league level right now to make room for a guy in AA who just got here is super premature.

We tend to think like all of these prospects (6 in the top 60 PLUS Schwarber and Soler) are going to hit in the pros and it's just not the case.

This is fun but goddamn it's not like every dude is coming up tomorrow throwing romeos all over the place.

[SKO]

The Cubs pitching in the first half of the last 2-3 seasons (let's use before the first SP is dealt as a benchmark) has been good enough to be in contention. it's been the hitting that's stunk.

Of course if someone wants to look up the actual numbers that'd be cool. I'm filtering through old emails while I was off work.

Eli made the point earlier, the FO has shown they know how to cobble together a rotation. They're clearly fine with spending on FA starters but talking about trading someone flourishing at the major league level right now to make room for a guy in AA who just got here is super premature.

We tend to think like all of these prospects (6 in the top 60 PLUS Schwarber and Soler) are going to hit in the pros and it's just not the case.

This is fun but goddamn it's not like every dude is coming up tomorrow throwing romeos all over the place.

Yeah, what's cool is the redundancies they've built into the farm system. They can survive Baez flopping, because Russell and Alcantara are both promising looking middle infielders with some pop as well. They can survive Soler or Almora or Schwarber flopping because one or two of them should still eventually be part of a pretty good major league outfield. Then Bryant just won't fail because fuck you.

[SKO]

DPD, but if some of them have to fail I guess I'd hope the two big hits were Bryant and Russel or Bryant and Baez, because then at least you have a young, good, power hitting infield all around that's set for the foreseeable future, and while finding offense is hard nowadays it seems like you could probably find a couple of serviceable corner outfielders easier than you could good-hitting infielders.

But even in pessimistic scenarios the Cubs end up looking good offensively.

Let's say 50% of the main six (Bryant, Baez, Russell, Soler, Schwarber, Alcantara) fail.

So your hits are: Bryant, Russell, Schwarber
Your misses are: Baez, Alcantara, Soler.

You still end up with your entire infield taken care of, and one of your corner outfielders. If you're getting + offense from 2B and SS you can post any good-glove speedy slap hitting Juan Pierre in CF and find an average corner outfielder and that's still probably a top ten major league offense.

[Powdered Toast Man]

So what we're all trying to say here is that Epstink is fucking terrible.

[PenFoe]

I'm just wondering when SKO had Epstink trade for CJ Wilson.

Seems off-strategy, but I'm curious.

[SKO]

I'm just wondering when SKO had Epstink trade for CJ Wilson.

Seems off-strategy, but I'm curious.

Edwards*. And go to hell.

[Slaky]

EPSTINK FUCKED UP

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/madden-theo-epstein-forgets-game-moneyball-article-1.1856368

[Powdered Toast Man]

Soler, Baez and Bryant HR porn. That's the first time I think I've seen Soler's swing.

[InternetApex]

EPSTINK FUCKED UP

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/madden-theo-epstein-forgets-game-moneyball-article-1.1856368

By that dude's logic, because Epstein was asking for huge compensation from other teams, the huge compensation he got back from Oakland was a defeat. Nowhere does anyone say that the Cardinals, Yankees or whoever were beating down Epstein's door with packages greater than he took from Oakland. It just says he was asking for them. I don't get it.

He says Beane fleeced Epstein. He's got two pitchers, one a free agent at season's end and one with a year left on his deal. Then what? I don't see Oakland meeting Snork's asking price or him coming down any for them. We'll see what Beane is able to flip him for next year and we'll see who fleeced who. 

[World's #1 Astros Fan]

I read an interesting take that Starlin Castro could be flipped for pitching to the Yankees or Mets.

I don't think either of them have any pitching that's worth Castro.

There's Stephen Matz (#10) Rafael Montero (#2) and Noah Syndergaard (#1) with the Mets and Ian Clarkin (#10) and Jose Ramirez (#9) for the Yankees. Not much with the Yankees it appears.

You don't think a package with Syndergaard from the Mets would suffice for Castro?

Are you aware that Syndegaard ahs been lit up in his last several starts?  If that list would be revised today, he would not be #1 anymore (I know this because I drafted Syndegaard in my Pederast League last year and have been following him closely).  The Mets have cooled on his prospects over the last 6 weeks right after the point he was seriously being discussed as a possible callup this season.

[PenFoe]

I read an interesting take that Starlin Castro could be flipped for pitching to the Yankees or Mets.

I don't think either of them have any pitching that's worth Castro.

There's Stephen Matz (#10) Rafael Montero (#2) and Noah Syndergaard (#1) with the Mets and Ian Clarkin (#10) and Jose Ramirez (#9) for the Yankees. Not much with the Yankees it appears.

You don't think a package with Syndergaard from the Mets would suffice for Castro?

Are you aware that Syndegaard ahs been lit up in his last several starts?  If that list would be revised today, he would not be #1 anymore (I know this because I drafted Syndegaard in my Pederast League last year and have been following him closely).  The Mets have cooled on his prospects over the last 6 weeks right after the point he was seriously being discussed as a possible callup this season.

Looks like it's Castro for Hamilton Bennett then.

/SBox joke.

[Powdered Toast Man]

I read an interesting take that Starlin Castro could be flipped for pitching to the Yankees or Mets.

I don't think either of them have any pitching that's worth Castro.

There's Stephen Matz (#10) Rafael Montero (#2) and Noah Syndergaard (#1) with the Mets and Ian Clarkin (#10) and Jose Ramirez (#9) for the Yankees. Not much with the Yankees it appears.

You don't think a package with Syndergaard from the Mets would suffice for Castro?

Are you aware that Syndegaard ahs been lit up in his last several starts?  If that list would be revised today, he would not be #1 anymore (I know this because I drafted Syndegaard in my Pederast League last year and have been following him closely).  The Mets have cooled on his prospects over the last 6 weeks right after the point he was seriously being discussed as a possible callup this season.

Like I said earlier, that trade isn't my idea. Just something I read on this here internet. Syndergaard did just throw 7 IP of one run ball with 8 K's for the Mets AAA affiliate. He's also 21, a solid 6 years younger than the average player at AAA. So, I wouldn't be too alarmed by him getting knocked around a bit.

And if there's one thing we know for sure, 6 weeks definitely make up a prospect's long term outcome.