Cubs' Prospects FUTUREBONER thread

[SKO]

You can trade anyone currently in the minors except Schwarber.  

What if he doesn't have a position? Maybe McLeod is just publicly saying that he'll stick at catcher to hold up his trade value.

If he can't catch, we're still under the assumption he can play LF, right?

Unless Baez becomes viable again, forcing Bryant to the OF, LF should still be open for Schwarber. 

I think the thing that will force Bryant to the OF is the way he plays 3B.

I am utterly fucking terrified he's gonna get Rizzo killed with one of those throws to the wrong side of the bag.

[CT III]

You can trade anyone currently in the minors except Schwarber.  

What if he doesn't have a position? Maybe McLeod is just publicly saying that he'll stick at catcher to hold up his trade value.

If he can't catch, we're still under the assumption he can play LF, right?

Unless Baez becomes viable again, forcing Bryant to the OF, LF should still be open for Schwarber. 

I think the thing that will force Bryant to the OF is the way he plays 3B.

I am utterly fucking terrified he's gonna get Rizzo killed with one of those throws to the wrong side of the bag.

Well, the good news is, if that happens we've got Vogelbach!

[Slaky]

Catching up but I enjoyed the part where Huard invoked fat outfielders from 30 years ago as his examples.

[Quality Start Machine]

If his bat is this advanced and can hold up at the MLB level, I'm all for the Cubs inventing ways to get him in the lineup in the future. There is also the chance the Cubs get him on a dietary and weight program to increase his mobility and range, but I think they would have tried that by now...if they haven't already.

They've tried that. Let's just say it's time for Plan B.

[SKO]

Catching up but I enjoyed the part where Huard invoked fat outfielders from 30 years ago as his examples.

That was amusing. Luzinski was worth -20.9 dWAR in his career vs. 35.3 oWAR. Overall the defensive shortcomings meant he was worth an average of about 1.7 WAR a year, which is a barely average starter, I think. Despite his AA numbers I don't think Vogelbach has Luzinski's raw power or will manage a career OPS+ of 130. So assuming he's even as "good" defensively as Luzinski was (which I highly doubt), he'd have to hit like fucking Barry Bonds to make it a net gain for the Cubs.

Just move on.

[Eli]

You can trade anyone currently in the minors except Schwarber.  

What if he doesn't have a position? Maybe McLeod is just publicly saying that he'll stick at catcher to hold up his trade value.

If he can't catch, we're still under the assumption he can play LF, right?

Unless Baez becomes viable again, forcing Bryant to the OF, LF should still be open for Schwarber. 

I think the thing that will force Bryant to the OF is the way he plays 3B.

I am utterly fucking terrified he's gonna get Rizzo killed with one of those throws to the wrong side of the bag.

His throws are an issue (he takes forever to unload the ball), but he's also looked awkward on quite a few plays, even if he ended up making them.

The other side of the coin is that he could probably be a defensive asset in left, rather than just "hopefully not a disaster" at 3B.

[Powdered Toast Man]

Jeremy Null, whom I've never heard of before this day, has pitched 22.2 IP with 23 K and 0 BB. Take that, Jason Hammel.

[CT III]

You can trade anyone currently in the minors except Schwarber.  

What if he doesn't have a position? Maybe McLeod is just publicly saying that he'll stick at catcher to hold up his trade value.

If he can't catch, we're still under the assumption he can play LF, right?

Unless Baez becomes viable again, forcing Bryant to the OF, LF should still be open for Schwarber. 

I think the thing that will force Bryant to the OF is the way he plays 3B.

I am utterly fucking terrified he's gonna get Rizzo killed with one of those throws to the wrong side of the bag.

His throws are an issue (he takes forever to unload the ball), but he's also looked awkward on quite a few plays, even if he ended up making them.

The other side of the coin is that he could probably be a defensive asset in left, rather than just "hopefully not a disaster" at 3B.

Left field?  Left fielders hit home runs, Eli.

[World's #1 Astros Fan]

Catching up but I enjoyed the part where Huard invoked fat outfielders from 30 years ago as his examples.

Luzinski was a fat ass, but he was still only one guy.  Pretty sure he was the only one I invoked.

But good point--the game has changed so much in that time you're dead meat if you don't have a smooth-fielding gazelle in left fucking field.

[SKO]

Catching up but I enjoyed the part where Huard invoked fat outfielders from 30 years ago as his examples.

Luzinski was a fat ass, but he was still only one guy.  Pretty sure he was the only one I invoked.

But good point--the game has changed so much in that time you're dead meat if you don't have a smooth-fielding gazelle in left fucking field.

Yep. That's exactly what we're saying, not that a guy with Vogelbach's limitations would be such a defensive liability that it would be unrealistic to expect his offensive production to be high enough to make him valuable. Just that any team without a gold glove caliber left fielder is fucked.

You also mentioned John Kruk, so that's two fatties. Liar.

[Saul Goodman]

Catching up but I enjoyed the part where Huard invoked fat outfielders from 30 years ago as his examples.

Luzinski was a fat ass, but he was still only one guy.  Pretty sure he was the only one I invoked.

But good point--the game has changed so much in that time you're dead meat if you don't have a smooth-fielding gazelle in left fucking field.

Yep. That's exactly what we're saying, not that a guy with Vogelbach's limitations would be such a defensive liability that it would be unrealistic to expect his offensive production to be high enough to make him valuable. Just that any team without a gold glove caliber left fielder is fucked.

Just ask the Cardinals!

[SKO]

Also, for what it's worth, Luzinski was listed as 6'1, 220, and Vogelbach is listed at 6'0, 250 AFTER he supposedly lost weight this offseason. So even that fatty wasn't as fat as the slimmer version of Vogelbach. And Kruk's playing weight is listed at 170 LBs. Even assuming all three of them are understating things, Vogelbach is considerably tubbier.

[PenFoe]

Also, for what it's worth, Luzinski was listed as 6'1, 220, and Vogelbach is listed at 6'0, 250 AFTER he supposedly lost weight this offseason. So even that fatty wasn't as fat as the slimmer version of Vogelbach

Carlos Lee was 6'2, 265. 

Played 1770 games in his career at LF. 

-11.4 career dWAR.

[World's #1 Astros Fan]

Catching up but I enjoyed the part where Huard invoked fat outfielders from 30 years ago as his examples.

Luzinski was a fat ass, but he was still only one guy.  Pretty sure he was the only one I invoked.

But good point--the game has changed so much in that time you're dead meat if you don't have a smooth-fielding gazelle in left fucking field.

Yep. That's exactly what we're saying, not that a guy with Vogelbach's limitations would be such a defensive liability that it would be unrealistic to expect his offensive production to be high enough to make him valuable. Just that any team without a gold glove caliber left fielder is fucked.

You also mentioned John Kruk, so that's two fatties. Liar.

Tru

[Yeti]

Vogelbach went from SKO

to Schwarber