Cubs' Prospects FUTUREBONER thread

[PenFoe]

The Artist Formerly Known As CJ Edwards just got promoted to AAA according to his agent's twitter so I'm guessing he might be on the fast track to a stint in the big league pen this season.

He's got a young Marmol-esque 13.7 K/9 at AA this year, but an older Marmol-esque 6.5 BB/9, although it seems like his control has improved as the season's gone on.

As much as I've been longing for him to shift back to the rotation, I'm finally coming around to him winning his 4 Cy Youngs as a closer.

He's been pretty lights out in Tennessee for the last few weeks. 

He's been pitching lots of 2 inning stints. Maybe he can be the guy that comes in for Wada with 2 outs in the 5th and K's everyone for the next two innings.

I could see that short term, but long term he seems like an 8th or 9th inning guy. 

Why?

'Cuz he throws real hard and Pen lacks any kind of imagination.

Because that's where all the best relievers are and he's going to be the best reliever, versus the Edwin Jackson role you've put him in.

But it's imaginative, I'll give you that. 

Yeah, being the guy who comes in and is asked to handle the entire third time through the order in ballgames where you have a slim lead or are tied is exactly what Edwin Jackson's being used for.

I think it makes a ton of sense to take the guy who's projected by me to be awesome and use him only when the starter is struggling. 

That role would actually be extremely useful and high leverage and more important than typecasting a dude as an 8th inning guy or closer only, but thanks for the input, Mike Matheny.

It's remarkable with all your deep knowledge and innovation that you're so ahead of the curve that no one else utilizes this role for their best relievers. 

[SKO]

The Artist Formerly Known As CJ Edwards just got promoted to AAA according to his agent's twitter so I'm guessing he might be on the fast track to a stint in the big league pen this season.

He's got a young Marmol-esque 13.7 K/9 at AA this year, but an older Marmol-esque 6.5 BB/9, although it seems like his control has improved as the season's gone on.

As much as I've been longing for him to shift back to the rotation, I'm finally coming around to him winning his 4 Cy Youngs as a closer.

He's been pretty lights out in Tennessee for the last few weeks.  

He's been pitching lots of 2 inning stints. Maybe he can be the guy that comes in for Wada with 2 outs in the 5th and K's everyone for the next two innings.

I could see that short term, but long term he seems like an 8th or 9th inning guy.  

Why?

'Cuz he throws real hard and Pen lacks any kind of imagination.

Because that's where all the best relievers are and he's going to be the best reliever, versus the Edwin Jackson role you've put him in.

But it's imaginative, I'll give you that.  

Yeah, being the guy who comes in and is asked to handle the entire third time through the order in ballgames where you have a slim lead or are tied is exactly what Edwin Jackson's being used for.

I think it makes a ton of sense to take the guy who's projected by me to be awesome and use him only when the starter is struggling.  

That role would actually be extremely useful and high leverage and more important than typecasting a dude as an 8th inning guy or closer only, but thanks for the input, Mike Matheny.

It's remarkable with all your deep knowledge and innovation that you're so ahead of the curve that no one else utilizes this role for their best relievers.  

Yeah I'm definitely the first guy on this board, let alone the internet, to suggest that your best relievers be used wherever they're most needed rather than just penciled in for the 8th or 9th inning because tradition.

[World's #1 Astros Fan]

The Artist Formerly Known As CJ Edwards just got promoted to AAA according to his agent's twitter so I'm guessing he might be on the fast track to a stint in the big league pen this season.

He's got a young Marmol-esque 13.7 K/9 at AA this year, but an older Marmol-esque 6.5 BB/9, although it seems like his control has improved as the season's gone on.

As much as I've been longing for him to shift back to the rotation, I'm finally coming around to him winning his 4 Cy Youngs as a closer.

He's been pretty lights out in Tennessee for the last few weeks. 

He's been pitching lots of 2 inning stints. Maybe he can be the guy that comes in for Wada with 2 outs in the 5th and K's everyone for the next two innings.

I could see that short term, but long term he seems like an 8th or 9th inning guy. 

Why?

'Cuz he throws real hard and Pen lacks any kind of imagination.

Because that's where all the best relievers are and he's going to be the best reliever, versus the Edwin Jackson role you've put him in.

But it's imaginative, I'll give you that. 

Yeah, being the guy who comes in and is asked to handle the entire third time through the order in ballgames where you have a slim lead or are tied is exactly what Edwin Jackson's being used for.

I think it makes a ton of sense to take the guy who's projected by me to be awesome and use him only when the starter is struggling. 

That role would actually be extremely useful and high leverage and more important than typecasting a dude as an 8th inning guy or closer only, but thanks for the input, Mike Matheny.

It's remarkable with all your deep knowledge and innovation that you're so ahead of the curve that no one else utilizes this role for their best relievers. 

Yeah I'm definitely the first guy on this board, let alone the internet, to suggest that your best relievers be used wherever they're most needed rather than just penciled in for the 8th or 9th inning because tradition.

Ahem.

[PenFoe]

The Artist Formerly Known As CJ Edwards just got promoted to AAA according to his agent's twitter so I'm guessing he might be on the fast track to a stint in the big league pen this season.

He's got a young Marmol-esque 13.7 K/9 at AA this year, but an older Marmol-esque 6.5 BB/9, although it seems like his control has improved as the season's gone on.

As much as I've been longing for him to shift back to the rotation, I'm finally coming around to him winning his 4 Cy Youngs as a closer.

He's been pretty lights out in Tennessee for the last few weeks. 

He's been pitching lots of 2 inning stints. Maybe he can be the guy that comes in for Wada with 2 outs in the 5th and K's everyone for the next two innings.

I could see that short term, but long term he seems like an 8th or 9th inning guy. 

Why?

'Cuz he throws real hard and Pen lacks any kind of imagination.

Because that's where all the best relievers are and he's going to be the best reliever, versus the Edwin Jackson role you've put him in.

But it's imaginative, I'll give you that. 

Yeah, being the guy who comes in and is asked to handle the entire third time through the order in ballgames where you have a slim lead or are tied is exactly what Edwin Jackson's being used for.

I think it makes a ton of sense to take the guy who's projected by me to be awesome and use him only when the starter is struggling. 

That role would actually be extremely useful and high leverage and more important than typecasting a dude as an 8th inning guy or closer only, but thanks for the input, Mike Matheny.

It's remarkable with all your deep knowledge and innovation that you're so ahead of the curve that no one else utilizes this role for their best relievers. 

Yeah I'm definitely the first guy on this board, let alone the internet, to suggest that your best relievers be used wherever they're most needed rather than just penciled in for the 8th or 9th inning because tradition.

Hopefully someday all those idiots running major league franchises will start listening to you.

[World's #1 Astros Fan]

The Artist Formerly Known As CJ Edwards just got promoted to AAA according to his agent's twitter so I'm guessing he might be on the fast track to a stint in the big league pen this season.

He's got a young Marmol-esque 13.7 K/9 at AA this year, but an older Marmol-esque 6.5 BB/9, although it seems like his control has improved as the season's gone on.

As much as I've been longing for him to shift back to the rotation, I'm finally coming around to him winning his 4 Cy Youngs as a closer.

He's been pretty lights out in Tennessee for the last few weeks. 

He's been pitching lots of 2 inning stints. Maybe he can be the guy that comes in for Wada with 2 outs in the 5th and K's everyone for the next two innings.

I could see that short term, but long term he seems like an 8th or 9th inning guy. 

Why?

'Cuz he throws real hard and Pen lacks any kind of imagination.

Because that's where all the best relievers are and he's going to be the best reliever, versus the Edwin Jackson role you've put him in.

But it's imaginative, I'll give you that. 

Yeah, being the guy who comes in and is asked to handle the entire third time through the order in ballgames where you have a slim lead or are tied is exactly what Edwin Jackson's being used for.

I think it makes a ton of sense to take the guy who's projected by me to be awesome and use him only when the starter is struggling. 

That role would actually be extremely useful and high leverage and more important than typecasting a dude as an 8th inning guy or closer only, but thanks for the input, Mike Matheny.

It's remarkable with all your deep knowledge and innovation that you're so ahead of the curve that no one else utilizes this role for their best relievers. 

Yeah I'm definitely the first guy on this board, let alone the internet, to suggest that your best relievers be used wherever they're most needed rather than just penciled in for the 8th or 9th inning because tradition.

Hopefully someday all those idiots running major league franchises will start listening to you.

I repeat.

[SKO]

The Artist Formerly Known As CJ Edwards just got promoted to AAA according to his agent's twitter so I'm guessing he might be on the fast track to a stint in the big league pen this season.

He's got a young Marmol-esque 13.7 K/9 at AA this year, but an older Marmol-esque 6.5 BB/9, although it seems like his control has improved as the season's gone on.

As much as I've been longing for him to shift back to the rotation, I'm finally coming around to him winning his 4 Cy Youngs as a closer.

He's been pretty lights out in Tennessee for the last few weeks. 

He's been pitching lots of 2 inning stints. Maybe he can be the guy that comes in for Wada with 2 outs in the 5th and K's everyone for the next two innings.

I could see that short term, but long term he seems like an 8th or 9th inning guy. 

Why?

'Cuz he throws real hard and Pen lacks any kind of imagination.

Because that's where all the best relievers are and he's going to be the best reliever, versus the Edwin Jackson role you've put him in.

But it's imaginative, I'll give you that. 

Yeah, being the guy who comes in and is asked to handle the entire third time through the order in ballgames where you have a slim lead or are tied is exactly what Edwin Jackson's being used for.

I think it makes a ton of sense to take the guy who's projected by me to be awesome and use him only when the starter is struggling. 

That role would actually be extremely useful and high leverage and more important than typecasting a dude as an 8th inning guy or closer only, but thanks for the input, Mike Matheny.

It's remarkable with all your deep knowledge and innovation that you're so ahead of the curve that no one else utilizes this role for their best relievers. 

Yeah I'm definitely the first guy on this board, let alone the internet, to suggest that your best relievers be used wherever they're most needed rather than just penciled in for the 8th or 9th inning because tradition.

Hopefully someday all those idiots running major league franchises will start listening to you.

How many ballgames has this team already lost because Joe's options in the 5th and 6th were to let Hendricks or Wood or Wada get smacked around the third time through the order or bring in guys like Jason Motte or Brian Schlitter with guys on base? If Edwards comes in and tosses 2 scoreless frames in those spots a couple times a week there'd be a damn good argument for declaring him the best and most valuable reliever on the team by far.

And do you really want to use "conventional baseball wisdom" in your defense here? Teams once thought it wise to give highly valuable young pitchers to Dusty Baker. There are better ways out there. Sports evolve. Joe obviously already subscribes to this theory somewhat because he has a quicker hook than any manager I've ever seen for starters going through the third time in the order.

[InternetApex]

The Artist Formerly Known As CJ Edwards just got promoted to AAA according to his agent's twitter so I'm guessing he might be on the fast track to a stint in the big league pen this season.

He's got a young Marmol-esque 13.7 K/9 at AA this year, but an older Marmol-esque 6.5 BB/9, although it seems like his control has improved as the season's gone on.

As much as I've been longing for him to shift back to the rotation, I'm finally coming around to him winning his 4 Cy Youngs as a closer.

He's been pretty lights out in Tennessee for the last few weeks.  

He's been pitching lots of 2 inning stints. Maybe he can be the guy that comes in for Wada with 2 outs in the 5th and K's everyone for the next two innings.

I could see that short term, but long term he seems like an 8th or 9th inning guy.  

Why?

'Cuz he throws real hard and Pen lacks any kind of imagination.

Because that's where all the best relievers are and he's going to be the best reliever, versus the Edwin Jackson role you've put him in.

But it's imaginative, I'll give you that.  

Yeah, being the guy who comes in and is asked to handle the entire third time through the order in ballgames where you have a slim lead or are tied is exactly what Edwin Jackson's being used for.

I think it makes a ton of sense to take the guy who's projected by me to be awesome and use him only when the starter is struggling.  

That role would actually be extremely useful and high leverage and more important than typecasting a dude as an 8th inning guy or closer only, but thanks for the input, Mike Matheny.

It's remarkable with all your deep knowledge and innovation that you're so ahead of the curve that no one else utilizes this role for their best relievers.  

Yeah I'm definitely the first guy on this board, let alone the internet, to suggest that your best relievers be used wherever they're most needed rather than just penciled in for the 8th or 9th inning because tradition.

Hopefully someday all those idiots running major league franchises will start listening to you.

How many ballgames has this team already lost because Joe's options in the 5th and 6th were to let Hendricks or Wood or Wada get smacked around the third time through the order or bring in guys like Jason Motte or Brian Schlitter with guys on base? If Edwards comes in and tosses 2 scoreless frames in those spots a couple times a week there'd be a damn good argument for declaring him the best and most valuable reliever on the team by far.

And do you really want to use "conventional baseball wisdom" in your defense here? Teams once thought it wise to give highly valuable young pitchers to Dusty Baker. There are better ways out there. Sports evolve. Joe obviously already subscribes to this theory somewhat because he has a quicker hook than any manager I've ever seen for starters going through the third time in the order.

The more good relievers you have, the more good options you have for the dreaded 3rd Turn of Wada. It wouldn't have to be C.J., it could be Strop or Ramirez or Rondon - and no more Motte or Schlitter, ever again. Giving Edwards the Wada's Caddie label would be dumb as balls. I hope that in my TL;DR of your last couple posts, I skipped over a part where you agreed with me.

[SKO]

The Artist Formerly Known As CJ Edwards just got promoted to AAA according to his agent's twitter so I'm guessing he might be on the fast track to a stint in the big league pen this season.

He's got a young Marmol-esque 13.7 K/9 at AA this year, but an older Marmol-esque 6.5 BB/9, although it seems like his control has improved as the season's gone on.

As much as I've been longing for him to shift back to the rotation, I'm finally coming around to him winning his 4 Cy Youngs as a closer.

He's been pretty lights out in Tennessee for the last few weeks.  

He's been pitching lots of 2 inning stints. Maybe he can be the guy that comes in for Wada with 2 outs in the 5th and K's everyone for the next two innings.

I could see that short term, but long term he seems like an 8th or 9th inning guy.  

Why?

'Cuz he throws real hard and Pen lacks any kind of imagination.

Because that's where all the best relievers are and he's going to be the best reliever, versus the Edwin Jackson role you've put him in.

But it's imaginative, I'll give you that.  

Yeah, being the guy who comes in and is asked to handle the entire third time through the order in ballgames where you have a slim lead or are tied is exactly what Edwin Jackson's being used for.

I think it makes a ton of sense to take the guy who's projected by me to be awesome and use him only when the starter is struggling.  

That role would actually be extremely useful and high leverage and more important than typecasting a dude as an 8th inning guy or closer only, but thanks for the input, Mike Matheny.

It's remarkable with all your deep knowledge and innovation that you're so ahead of the curve that no one else utilizes this role for their best relievers.  

Yeah I'm definitely the first guy on this board, let alone the internet, to suggest that your best relievers be used wherever they're most needed rather than just penciled in for the 8th or 9th inning because tradition.

Hopefully someday all those idiots running major league franchises will start listening to you.

How many ballgames has this team already lost because Joe's options in the 5th and 6th were to let Hendricks or Wood or Wada get smacked around the third time through the order or bring in guys like Jason Motte or Brian Schlitter with guys on base? If Edwards comes in and tosses 2 scoreless frames in those spots a couple times a week there'd be a damn good argument for declaring him the best and most valuable reliever on the team by far.

And do you really want to use "conventional baseball wisdom" in your defense here? Teams once thought it wise to give highly valuable young pitchers to Dusty Baker. There are better ways out there. Sports evolve. Joe obviously already subscribes to this theory somewhat because he has a quicker hook than any manager I've ever seen for starters going through the third time in the order.

The more good relievers you have, the more good options you have for the dreaded 3rd Turn of Wada. It wouldn't have to be C.J., it could be Strop or Ramirez or Rondon - and no more Motte or Schlitter, ever again. Giving Edwards the Wada's Caddie label would be dumb as balls. I hope that in my TL;DR of your last couple posts, I skipped over a part where you agreed with me.

Yeah it wouldn't have to be Edwards doing that, Edwards would just be the most logical candidate because he's been making mostly multi-inning appearances and Strop/Motte/Rondon and especially Ramirez seem more like one-and-done guys. Edwards the young spry-just-converted-from-starter guy makes the most sense as the dude asked to carry you all the way from the 5th to the 7th.

[PenFoe]

Yeah it wouldn't have to be Edwards doing that, Edwards would just be the most logical candidate because he's been making mostly multi-inning appearances and Strop/Motte/Rondon and especially Ramirez seem more like one-and-done guys. Edwards the young spry-just-converted-from-starter guy makes the most sense as the dude asked to carry you all the way from the 5th to the 7th.

Why would he make more sense than Travis Wood?

[World's #1 Astros Fan]

Yeah it wouldn't have to be Edwards doing that, Edwards would just be the most logical candidate because he's been making mostly multi-inning appearances and Strop/Motte/Rondon and especially Ramirez seem more like one-and-done guys. Edwards the young spry-just-converted-from-starter guy makes the most sense as the dude asked to carry you all the way from the 5th to the 7th.

Why would he make more sense than Travis Wood?

Because Travis Wood blows chunks?

[SKO]

Yeah it wouldn't have to be Edwards doing that, Edwards would just be the most logical candidate because he's been making mostly multi-inning appearances and Strop/Motte/Rondon and especially Ramirez seem more like one-and-done guys. Edwards the young spry-just-converted-from-starter guy makes the most sense as the dude asked to carry you all the way from the 5th to the 7th.

Why would he make more sense than Travis Wood?

Because Travis Wood fucking sucks and CJ Edwards seems like a way better guy to ask to strike three guys in a row out after Wada/Hendricks have been pulled because they've started the third time through the order by putting a guy or two on base? Do you not get what "high leverage" means, and the kind of dudes you'd like pitching in said circumstances? Because "guy who strikes out 13 people per 9 innings" is better than "dude who gives up 50 homers every time he pitches".

[PenFoe]

Yeah it wouldn't have to be Edwards doing that, Edwards would just be the most logical candidate because he's been making mostly multi-inning appearances and Strop/Motte/Rondon and especially Ramirez seem more like one-and-done guys. Edwards the young spry-just-converted-from-starter guy makes the most sense as the dude asked to carry you all the way from the 5th to the 7th.

Why would he make more sense than Travis Wood?

Because Travis Wood blows chunks?

Well, yeah - I get that part. He shouldn't have any role, nor should Jackson.  But if we're talking about 2 inning bridge guy, that's pretty much what he's there for at this point.  Or at least what you hope he's there for.  You can't afford to have 2 guys in a solely mop-up role. 

[SKO]

So in this scenario:

1-1 Tie, Cubs-Cardinals, Lance Lynn vs. Wada.

Wada puts the first two guys on in the top of the 5th, Matt Holliday comes up to bat.

In these types of scenarios Joe has pulled Wada/Hendricks all year long. I'm saying "let's put CJ Edwards in" and Pen's saying "let's try Travis Wood!" and somehow I'm the one insulting CJ Edwards.

[PenFoe]

So in this scenario:

1-1 Tie, Cubs-Cardinals, Lance Lynn vs. Wada.

Wada puts the first two guys on in the top of the 5th, Matt Holliday comes up to bat.

In these types of scenarios Joe has pulled Wada/Hendricks all year long. I'm saying "let's put CJ Edwards in" and Pen's saying "let's try Travis Wood!" and somehow I'm the one insulting CJ Edwards.

So what do you do with Edwards the other 80% of the games? 
Hendricks has gone through the lineup 3 times each of his last 2 times out. 

Why do you hate Kyle Hendricks like a common Eli? 

Give me some innings/appearance comps for a 5th inning savior vs. an 8th/9th inning guy. 

[SKO]

So in this scenario:

1-1 Tie, Cubs-Cardinals, Lance Lynn vs. Wada.

Wada puts the first two guys on in the top of the 5th, Matt Holliday comes up to bat.

In these types of scenarios Joe has pulled Wada/Hendricks all year long. I'm saying "let's put CJ Edwards in" and Pen's saying "let's try Travis Wood!" and somehow I'm the one insulting CJ Edwards.

So what do you do with Edwards the other 80% of the games? 
Hendricks has gone through the lineup 3 times each of his last 2 times out. 

Why do you hate Kyle Hendricks like a common Eli? 

Give me some innings/appearance comps for a 5th inning savior vs. an 8th/9th inning guy. 

You would use him like a situational reliever, like everyone else? You seem to think this is the only role I will accept for him. YOU are the one trying to say he HAS to be something like a traditional set up guy. I'm saying use him where he's most needed and sometimes squeeze two innings out of him because he's been pitching 2 at a time in Tennessee. They don't really have anyone else that could give them six outs in a high leverage situation regularly and if you say Travis Wood again I'm going to just write you off as drunk.