Javier Baez 2014 ROY-MVP-World Series MVP Thread

[PenFoe]

Is there a stat person here who can give me a comp for a player who started with such a high K rate and settled down? I mean I know Baez has settled down himself just about every level he's been with after a while but is there any actual precedent for thinking a guy like this can ever actually develop true patience?

From age 21-25, Troy Glaus struck out 158 times/162 games.
From age 26-35, he settled into a 136/162 pace. 

[Slaky]

Is there a stat person here who can give me a comp for a player who started with such a high K rate and settled down? I mean I know Baez has settled down himself just about every level he's been with after a while but is there any actual precedent for thinking a guy like this can ever actually develop true patience?

From age 21-25, Troy Glaus struck out 158 times/162 games.
From age 26-35, he settled into a 136/162 pace. 

I would love a Troy Glaus. The man could hit.

[PenFoe]

Is there a stat person here who can give me a comp for a player who started with such a high K rate and settled down? I mean I know Baez has settled down himself just about every level he's been with after a while but is there any actual precedent for thinking a guy like this can ever actually develop true patience?

From age 21-25, Troy Glaus struck out 158 times/162 games.
From age 26-35, he settled into a 136/162 pace. 

I would love a Troy Glaus. The man could hit.

He's the standard by which all prospects should be judged.

[Quality Start Machine]

Also, I found research on fastballs with runners at first and You'll Never Believe the Conclusion: http://www.billjamesonline.com/stats72/

Hey, learn something new every day.

As for his strikeout numbers though - power hitters will strike out a lot, it's just the way it is. Unless you get a freak like Sheffield or Bob Horner...or Jorge Soler.

[SKO]

Also, I found research on fastballs with runners at first and You'll Never Believe the Conclusion: http://www.billjamesonline.com/stats72/

Hey, learn something new every day.

As for his strikeout numbers though - power hitters will strike out a lot, it's just the way it is. Unless you get a freak like Sheffield or Bob Horner...or Jorge Soler.

yeah but those stereotypical power hitters that strike out a lot usually also walk a lot. They see lots of pitches in general. Look at Glaus. Walked 100+ times in 2 of his first three seasons. If Javy doesn't increase the walk rate his value may derive solely from his power his entire career, in which case that's a rough way to make a living because teams can just stay away from him if he won't make them pay for it.

For the record I think he'll adjust just because he has in the minors at every level, but it's definitely something that worries me.

[InternetApex]

Also, I found research on fastballs with runners at first and You'll Never Believe the Conclusion: http://www.billjamesonline.com/stats72/

Hey, learn something new every day.

As for his strikeout numbers though - power hitters will strike out a lot, it's just the way it is. Unless you get a freak like Sheffield or Bob Horner...or Jorge Soler.

yeah but those stereotypical power hitters that strike out a lot usually also walk a lot. They see lots of pitches in general. Look at Glaus. Walked 100+ times in 2 of his first three seasons. If Javy doesn't increase the walk rate his value may derive solely from his power his entire career, in which case that's a rough way to make a living because teams can just stay away from him if he won't make them pay for it.

For the record I think he'll adjust just because he has in the minors at every level, but it's definitely something that worries me.

I heard him say that he's approaching these games in 2014 like Spring Training games. I don't think he made that up because that's a brazen thing for a rookie to say. I think they told him to approach his at bats this year a certain way so he can learn to HIT big league pitching. Next year they may ask him to be more patient. And we'll see what happens. But I'm not worried about his 2014 walk rate. At all.

[Quality Start Machine]

Also, I found research on fastballs with runners at first and You'll Never Believe the Conclusion: http://www.billjamesonline.com/stats72/

Hey, learn something new every day.

As for his strikeout numbers though - power hitters will strike out a lot, it's just the way it is. Unless you get a freak like Sheffield or Bob Horner...or Jorge Soler.

yeah but those stereotypical power hitters that strike out a lot usually also walk a lot. They see lots of pitches in general. Look at Glaus. Walked 100+ times in 2 of his first three seasons. If Javy doesn't increase the walk rate his value may derive solely from his power his entire career, in which case that's a rough way to make a living because teams can just stay away from him if he won't make them pay for it.

For the record I think he'll adjust just because he has in the minors at every level, but it's definitely something that worries me.

He's adjusted at every level, but the adjustment has taken time. That's why his being here now will be to great benefit when next season rolls around. Whenever Almora is ready, expect the same sort of deep learning curve.

[PenFoe]

Is there a stat person here who can give me a comp for a player who started with such a high K rate and settled down? I mean I know Baez has settled down himself just about every level he's been with after a while but is there any actual precedent for thinking a guy like this can ever actually develop true patience?

From age 21-25, Troy Glaus struck out 158 times/162 games.
From age 26-35, he settled into a 136/162 pace. 

I would love a Troy Glaus. The man could hit.

Another example:
Jayson Heyward
K rates:
20.5%
20.4%
23.3%
16.6%
15.6%

Granted, OPS has dropped also, but that's not what we're doing.

[Saul Goodman]

Why do we need to spend so many words saying something that's so obvious? Javy should learn to lay off bad pitches. If he does, he will be unstoppable.

I said that back in the spring and was tarred and feathered and run out of town on a rail.  Or maybe that was just because I'm me... not sure.

[Saul Goodman]

Is there a stat person here who can give me a comp for a player who started with such a high K rate and settled down? I mean I know Baez has settled down himself just about every level he's been with after a while but is there any actual precedent for thinking a guy like this can ever actually develop true patience?

From age 21-25, Troy Glaus struck out 158 times/162 games.
From age 26-35, he settled into a 136/162 pace. 

I would love a Troy Glaus. The man could hit.

DPD.  Boring but true story: When I was working in the minor leagues Glaus was assigned to my team's opponent for a rehab stint.  He drove himself to the stadium ahead of the team bus and was sitting in the clubhouse alone when I went to see if lineups had been posted.  I said hi since he was sitting all by himself on a bench staring off into space in the middle of an empty clubhouse and he asked if I knew who he was, and I didn't, not without his jersey or hat on.  He was offended that I didn't recognize his face.  That's my Troy Glaus story.  You're welcome.

[PenFoe]

Is there a stat person here who can give me a comp for a player who started with such a high K rate and settled down? I mean I know Baez has settled down himself just about every level he's been with after a while but is there any actual precedent for thinking a guy like this can ever actually develop true patience?

From age 21-25, Troy Glaus struck out 158 times/162 games.
From age 26-35, he settled into a 136/162 pace. 

I would love a Troy Glaus. The man could hit.

DPD.  Boring but true story: When I was working in the minor leagues Glaus was assigned to my team's opponent for a rehab stint.  He drove himself to the stadium ahead of the team bus and was sitting in the clubhouse alone when I went to see if lineups had been posted.  I said hi since he was sitting all by himself on a bench staring off into space in the middle of an empty clubhouse and he asked if I knew who he was, and I didn't, not without his jersey or hat on.  He was offended that I didn't recognize his face.  That's my Troy Glaus story.  You're welcome.

Summary: Troy Glaus is an asshole.

Thanks, Eli.

[InternetApex]

Is there a stat person here who can give me a comp for a player who started with such a high K rate and settled down? I mean I know Baez has settled down himself just about every level he's been with after a while but is there any actual precedent for thinking a guy like this can ever actually develop true patience?

From age 21-25, Troy Glaus struck out 158 times/162 games.
From age 26-35, he settled into a 136/162 pace. 

I would love a Troy Glaus. The man could hit.

DPD.  Boring but true story: When I was working in the minor leagues Glaus was assigned to my team's opponent for a rehab stint.  He drove himself to the stadium ahead of the team bus and was sitting in the clubhouse alone when I went to see if lineups had been posted.  I said hi since he was sitting all by himself on a bench staring off into space in the middle of an empty clubhouse and he asked if I knew who he was, and I didn't, not without his jersey or hat on.  He was offended that I didn't recognize his face.  That's my Troy Glaus story.  You're welcome.

Summary: Troy Glaus is an asshole.

Thanks, Eli.

Sterling omitted the part where he walked in and talked poor Troy's arm off about a million different things with no apparent point, which prompted Glaus to play the "Do you know who I am?" card to calm him down.

[Eli]

Is there a stat person here who can give me a comp for a player who started with such a high K rate and settled down? I mean I know Baez has settled down himself just about every level he's been with after a while but is there any actual precedent for thinking a guy like this can ever actually develop true patience?

From age 21-25, Troy Glaus struck out 158 times/162 games.
From age 26-35, he settled into a 136/162 pace. 

I would love a Troy Glaus. The man could hit.

DPD.  Boring but true story: When I was working in the minor leagues Glaus was assigned to my team's opponent for a rehab stint.  He drove himself to the stadium ahead of the team bus and was sitting in the clubhouse alone when I went to see if lineups had been posted.  I said hi since he was sitting all by himself on a bench staring off into space in the middle of an empty clubhouse and he asked if I knew who he was, and I didn't, not without his jersey or hat on.  He was offended that I didn't recognize his face.  That's my Troy Glaus story.  You're welcome.

Summary: Troy Glaus is an asshole.

Thanks, Eli.

Why me?

[SKO]

Is there a stat person here who can give me a comp for a player who started with such a high K rate and settled down? I mean I know Baez has settled down himself just about every level he's been with after a while but is there any actual precedent for thinking a guy like this can ever actually develop true patience?

From age 21-25, Troy Glaus struck out 158 times/162 games.
From age 26-35, he settled into a 136/162 pace. 

I would love a Troy Glaus. The man could hit.

DPD.  Boring but true story: When I was working in the minor leagues Glaus was assigned to my team's opponent for a rehab stint.  He drove himself to the stadium ahead of the team bus and was sitting in the clubhouse alone when I went to see if lineups had been posted.  I said hi since he was sitting all by himself on a bench staring off into space in the middle of an empty clubhouse and he asked if I knew who he was, and I didn't, not without his jersey or hat on.  He was offended that I didn't recognize his face.  That's my Troy Glaus story.  You're welcome.

Summary: Troy Glaus is an asshole.

Thanks, Eli.

Why me?

Because you compared Troy Glaus to Kris Bryant and now Pen is bringing up Glaus to make a point about Javy Baez and now Kris Bryant and Javy are both going to be jerks to Sterling Archer not unlike the rest of us. How hard is that to figure out jeez.

[Eli]

Is there a stat person here who can give me a comp for a player who started with such a high K rate and settled down? I mean I know Baez has settled down himself just about every level he's been with after a while but is there any actual precedent for thinking a guy like this can ever actually develop true patience?

From age 21-25, Troy Glaus struck out 158 times/162 games.
From age 26-35, he settled into a 136/162 pace. 

I would love a Troy Glaus. The man could hit.

DPD.  Boring but true story: When I was working in the minor leagues Glaus was assigned to my team's opponent for a rehab stint.  He drove himself to the stadium ahead of the team bus and was sitting in the clubhouse alone when I went to see if lineups had been posted.  I said hi since he was sitting all by himself on a bench staring off into space in the middle of an empty clubhouse and he asked if I knew who he was, and I didn't, not without his jersey or hat on.  He was offended that I didn't recognize his face.  That's my Troy Glaus story.  You're welcome.

Summary: Troy Glaus is an asshole.

Thanks, Eli.

Why me?

Because you compared Troy Glaus to Kris Bryant and now Pen is bringing up Glaus to make a point about Javy Baez and now Kris Bryant and Javy are both going to be jerks to Sterling Archer not unlike the rest of us. How hard is that to figure out jeez.

How many times must I apologize for comping Kris Bryant to a 4-time All-Star who averaged 34 homers every 162 games? I said I'm SORRY.