Javier Baez 2014 ROY-MVP-World Series MVP Thread

[Quality Start Machine]

Is there a stat person here who can give me a comp for a player who started with such a high K rate and settled down? I mean I know Baez has settled down himself just about every level he's been with after a while but is there any actual precedent for thinking a guy like this can ever actually develop true patience?

From age 21-25, Troy Glaus struck out 158 times/162 games.
From age 26-35, he settled into a 136/162 pace. 

I would love a Troy Glaus. The man could hit.

DPD.  Boring but true story: When I was working in the minor leagues Glaus was assigned to my team's opponent for a rehab stint.  He drove himself to the stadium ahead of the team bus and was sitting in the clubhouse alone when I went to see if lineups had been posted.  I said hi since he was sitting all by himself on a bench staring off into space in the middle of an empty clubhouse and he asked if I knew who he was, and I didn't, not without his jersey or hat on.  He was offended that I didn't recognize his face.  That's my Troy Glaus story.  You're welcome.

Summary: Troy Glaus is an asshole.

Thanks, Eli.

Why me?

Because you compared Troy Glaus to Kris Bryant and now Pen is bringing up Glaus to make a point about Javy Baez and now Kris Bryant and Javy are both going to be jerks to Sterling Archer not unlike the rest of us. How hard is that to figure out jeez.

How many times must I apologize for comping Kris Bryant to a 4-time All-Star who averaged 34 homers every 162 games? I said I'm SORRY.

Keep apologizing. Because everyone knows Bryant is a 14-time All-Star, minimum.

[Eli]

Just curious, if you all had a choice between a guarantee of Bryant "just" making 4 All-Star Games and averaging 34 bombs a year, or rolling the dice that he ends up better (but could also bust), which would you choose?

[SKO]

Just curious, if you all had a choice between a guarantee of Bryant "just" making 4 All-Star Games and averaging 34 bombs a year, or rolling the dice that he ends up better (but could also bust), which would you choose?

If Kris Bryant is Troy Glaus I would take that in a heartbeat. Dude was a 124 OPS+ at the most powerful position in the most powerful era. Those numbers today would be amazing. If you promised me a Troy Glaus without the injuries that robbed him of about five seasons I would weep tears of joy.

[SKO]

Hell if you can guarantee me that Any of those prospects we're splooging over is going to be a regular for a decade with an OPS of .850 or better almost every year I would take it and wait for the titles to roll in.

[Yeti]

Is there a stat person here who can give me a comp for a player who started with such a high K rate and settled down? I mean I know Baez has settled down himself just about every level he's been with after a while but is there any actual precedent for thinking a guy like this can ever actually develop true patience?

From age 21-25, Troy Glaus struck out 158 times/162 games.
From age 26-35, he settled into a 136/162 pace. 

I would love a Troy Glaus. The man could hit.

DPD.  Boring but true story: When I was working in the minor leagues Glaus was assigned to my team's opponent for a rehab stint.  He drove himself to the stadium ahead of the team bus and was sitting in the clubhouse alone when I went to see if lineups had been posted.  I said hi since he was sitting all by himself on a bench staring off into space in the middle of an empty clubhouse and he asked if I knew who he was, and I didn't, not without his jersey or hat on.  He was offended that I didn't recognize his face.  That's my Troy Glaus story.  You're welcome.

Summary: Troy Glaus is an asshole.

Thanks, Eli.

Why me?

Because you compared Troy Glaus to Kris Bryant and now Pen is bringing up Glaus to make a point about Javy Baez and now Kris Bryant and Javy are both going to be jerks to Sterling Archer not unlike the rest of us. How hard is that to figure out jeez.

How many times must I apologize for comping Kris Bryant to a 4-time All-Star who averaged 34 homers every 162 games? I said I'm SORRY.

Mike Schmidt is the proper comp

[PenFoe]

Is there a stat person here who can give me a comp for a player who started with such a high K rate and settled down? I mean I know Baez has settled down himself just about every level he's been with after a while but is there any actual precedent for thinking a guy like this can ever actually develop true patience?

From age 21-25, Troy Glaus struck out 158 times/162 games.
From age 26-35, he settled into a 136/162 pace. 

I would love a Troy Glaus. The man could hit.

DPD.  Boring but true story: When I was working in the minor leagues Glaus was assigned to my team's opponent for a rehab stint.  He drove himself to the stadium ahead of the team bus and was sitting in the clubhouse alone when I went to see if lineups had been posted.  I said hi since he was sitting all by himself on a bench staring off into space in the middle of an empty clubhouse and he asked if I knew who he was, and I didn't, not without his jersey or hat on.  He was offended that I didn't recognize his face.  That's my Troy Glaus story.  You're welcome.

Summary: Troy Glaus is an asshole.

Thanks, Eli.

Why me?

Because you compared Troy Glaus to Kris Bryant and now Pen is bringing up Glaus to make a point about Javy Baez and now Kris Bryant and Javy are both going to be jerks to Sterling Archer not unlike the rest of us. How hard is that to figure out jeez.

How many times must I apologize for comping Kris Bryant to a 4-time All-Star who averaged 34 homers every 162 games? I said I'm SORRY.

Mike Schmidt is the proper comp

So, true story - I was doing some research to make a big deal about how I wouldn't be satisfied with Troy Glaus because Bryant's power history to date (college and minors) was really unrivaled and I wanted to set the bar higher.

AND WOULDN'T YOU FUCKING KNOW IT...

Most Homers in a season, College, Third Basemen
1. TROY FUCKING GLAUS - 34 (UCLA, 1997)
2. Kris Bryant - 31 (SDSU, 2013)

So I stopped there and now I hate everything.

[Quality Start Machine]

Just curious, if you all had a choice between a guarantee of Bryant "just" making 4 All-Star Games and averaging 34 bombs a year, or rolling the dice that he ends up better (but could also bust), which would you choose?

Since the outcome is out of our control anyway, fuck it - he's Babe Motherfucking Ruth.

[Eli]

It's not our fault you didn't know Troy Glaus was good at baseball.

[SKO]

Is there a stat person here who can give me a comp for a player who started with such a high K rate and settled down? I mean I know Baez has settled down himself just about every level he's been with after a while but is there any actual precedent for thinking a guy like this can ever actually develop true patience?

From age 21-25, Troy Glaus struck out 158 times/162 games.
From age 26-35, he settled into a 136/162 pace. 

I would love a Troy Glaus. The man could hit.

DPD.  Boring but true story: When I was working in the minor leagues Glaus was assigned to my team's opponent for a rehab stint.  He drove himself to the stadium ahead of the team bus and was sitting in the clubhouse alone when I went to see if lineups had been posted.  I said hi since he was sitting all by himself on a bench staring off into space in the middle of an empty clubhouse and he asked if I knew who he was, and I didn't, not without his jersey or hat on.  He was offended that I didn't recognize his face.  That's my Troy Glaus story.  You're welcome.

Summary: Troy Glaus is an asshole.

Thanks, Eli.

Why me?

Because you compared Troy Glaus to Kris Bryant and now Pen is bringing up Glaus to make a point about Javy Baez and now Kris Bryant and Javy are both going to be jerks to Sterling Archer not unlike the rest of us. How hard is that to figure out jeez.

How many times must I apologize for comping Kris Bryant to a 4-time All-Star who averaged 34 homers every 162 games? I said I'm SORRY.

Mike Schmidt is the proper comp

So, true story - I was doing some research to make a big deal about how I wouldn't be satisfied with Troy Glaus because Bryant's power history to date (college and minors) was really unrivaled and I wanted to set the bar higher.

AND WOULDN'T YOU FUCKING KNOW IT...

Most Homers in a season, College, Third Basemen
1. TROY FUCKING GLAUS - 34 (UCLA, 1997)
2. Kris Bryant - 31 (SDSU, 2013)

So I stopped there and now I hate everything.

The worst OPS+ Troy Glaus posted between age 23 (Bryant's presumed age when he becomes a big league regular) and age 31 was 113. The Worst. And that was in a better offensive era. If Kris Bryant is 13% better than league average in his worst year he has in his career and you're disappointed, you are an objectively terrible human being.

[SKO]

Excluding his rookie year and his last year Troy Glaus had an OPS+ of 127. That's the same OPS+ Aramis had in his Cub tenure. I don't know how well you remember Aramis Ramirez, but while it's not necessarily Bryant's best case scenario I would take another ten years of Prime Aramis again.

So let's note that Pen has basically shown today he hates the very mention of Derrek Lee and thinks Aramis Ramirez was a disappointment and that Kris Bryant would suck if that's who he ended up being. These are the facts, clearly stated.

[PenFoe]

It's not our fault you didn't know Troy Glaus was good at baseball.

Hey - I watched the shit out of Troy Glaus, (including our year together in AZ. 2005 4EVER)

He was a slow, lumbering, oft-injured meatball power hitter who had to retire at 33 because he was slow, oft-injured and starting to decline.  

In 13 years, he never finished in the top 25 in MVP voting once and made the all-star game 4 times.  
Has averaged 2.9 WAR/season for his career.  

So no, that's not what I'm settling for when it comes to Kris Bryant right now.

Y'all want to sit back and pretend that what success looks like, then you deserve Eric Chavez 2.0

Bitches.

[PenFoe]

Fucking Travis Fryman loving motherfuckers.

If Bryant is less than a top 20 hitter in baseball for 8+ years, I'll be butthurt.

[SKO]

It's not our fault you didn't know Troy Glaus was good at baseball.

Hey - I watched the shit out of Troy Glaus, (including our year together in AZ. 2005 4EVER)

He was a slow, lumbering, oft-injured meatball power hitter who had to retire at 33 because he was slow, oft-injured and starting to decline.  

In 13 years, he never finished in the top 25 in MVP voting once and made the all-star game 4 times.  
Has averaged 2.9 WAR/season for his career.  

So no, that's not what I'm settling for when it comes to Kris Bryant right now.

Y'all want to sit back and pretend that what success looks like, then you deserve Eric Chavez 2.0

Bitches.

Yeah the funny thing about comps is that you're usually comparing a guy's hitting potential based on rate stats and what not, because it's hard to predict things like injuries and stuff. In seasons where he actually played more than 100 games Glaus never had a WAR below 3.1 until his very last year. IF Kris Bryant is Troy Glaus without the injuries, that's  a really good hitter.

[PenFoe]

It's not our fault you didn't know Troy Glaus was good at baseball.

Hey - I watched the shit out of Troy Glaus, (including our year together in AZ. 2005 4EVER)

He was a slow, lumbering, oft-injured meatball power hitter who had to retire at 33 because he was slow, oft-injured and starting to decline.  

In 13 years, he never finished in the top 25 in MVP voting once and made the all-star game 4 times.  
Has averaged 2.9 WAR/season for his career.  

So no, that's not what I'm settling for when it comes to Kris Bryant right now.

Y'all want to sit back and pretend that what success looks like, then you deserve Eric Chavez 2.0

Bitches.

Yeah the funny thing about comps is that you're usually comparing a guy's hitting potential based on rate stats and what not, because it's hard to predict things like injuries and stuff. In seasons where he actually played more than 100 games Glaus never had a WAR below 3.1 until his very last year. IF Kris Bryant is Troy Glaus without the injuries, that's  a really good hitter.

"Troy Glaus without the injuries" is seriously moving the goalposts here.

But then again...SKO. So, yeah.

[Eli]

"Troy Glaus without the injuries" is seriously moving the goalposts here.

No it's not.