Javier Baez 2014 ROY-MVP-World Series MVP Thread

[Chuck to Chuck]

August has not been kind to our boy so far.

It's been even worse to Alcantarra. Don't even look.

2015 has been the pigeon and Mendy's been the statue.

[Quality Start Machine]

His K rate is diving toward 25%, and his August is up to 300/347/456/802.

But hooray for LaStella.

[SKO]

His K rate is diving toward 25%, and his August is up to 300/347/456/802.

But hooray for LaStella.

I think it's fair to say I'm concerned that Epstink would rather try seemingly every option that isn't Javy Baez rather than Javy Baez. I really doubt him needing one more week of development at Iowa is the reason he didn't get the call today.

[Slaky]

His K rate is diving toward 25%, and his August is up to 300/347/456/802.

But hooray for LaStella.

I think it's fair to say I'm concerned that Epstink would rather try seemingly every option that isn't Javy Baez rather than Javy Baez. I really doubt him needing one more week of development at Iowa is the reason he didn't get the call today.

He thinks Javy is bad. There's really not many lines to read between here.

[SKO]

His K rate is diving toward 25%, and his August is up to 300/347/456/802.

But hooray for LaStella.

I think it's fair to say I'm concerned that Epstink would rather try seemingly every option that isn't Javy Baez rather than Javy Baez. I really doubt him needing one more week of development at Iowa is the reason he didn't get the call today.

He thinks Javy is bad. There's really not many lines to read between here.

And if that's the case, I don't get why he wasn't moved in the offseason or at the deadline. Everyone saw him in the majors last year, they aren't going to be impressed that he tore up the PCL in his second try at it, so if you aren't going to give him a shot at redemption in the majors this year, why hold on to him for so long?

[Eli]

His K rate is diving toward 25%, and his August is up to 300/347/456/802.

But hooray for LaStella.

I think it's fair to say I'm concerned that Epstink would rather try seemingly every option that isn't Javy Baez rather than Javy Baez. I really doubt him needing one more week of development at Iowa is the reason he didn't get the call today.

He thinks Javy is bad. There's really not many lines to read between here.

And if that's the case, I don't get why he wasn't moved in the offseason or at the deadline. Everyone saw him in the majors last year, they aren't going to be impressed that he tore up the PCL in his second try at it, so if you aren't going to give him a shot at redemption in the majors this year, why hold on to him for so long?

I think deadline prices are historically higher than offseason prices, so they may have felt like they could get more value in the offseason for him.

[SKO]

His K rate is diving toward 25%, and his August is up to 300/347/456/802.

But hooray for LaStella.

I think it's fair to say I'm concerned that Epstink would rather try seemingly every option that isn't Javy Baez rather than Javy Baez. I really doubt him needing one more week of development at Iowa is the reason he didn't get the call today.

He thinks Javy is bad. There's really not many lines to read between here.

And if that's the case, I don't get why he wasn't moved in the offseason or at the deadline. Everyone saw him in the majors last year, they aren't going to be impressed that he tore up the PCL in his second try at it, so if you aren't going to give him a shot at redemption in the majors this year, why hold on to him for so long?

I think deadline prices are historically higher than offseason prices, so they may have felt like they could get more value in the offseason for him.

This is true, I just feel like if it's easy for the Common Slaky to say "man, Theo thinks Javy sucks" I doubt his value has gone up at all in the last year and may have gone down. If the team that's done an unprecedented job of rapidly developing young talent and contending with rookies at the major league level decides Javy isn't worth the trouble, that's not going to get other teams salivating. In my mind it would almost be better to just call him and hope he catches fire and deal with it if he gets exposed again.

[InternetApex]

His K rate is diving toward 25%, and his August is up to 300/347/456/802.

But hooray for LaStella.

I think it's fair to say I'm concerned that Epstink would rather try seemingly every option that isn't Javy Baez rather than Javy Baez. I really doubt him needing one more week of development at Iowa is the reason he didn't get the call today.

He thinks Javy is bad. There's really not many lines to read between here.

And if that's the case, I don't get why he wasn't moved in the offseason or at the deadline. Everyone saw him in the majors last year, they aren't going to be impressed that he tore up the PCL in his second try at it, so if you aren't going to give him a shot at redemption in the majors this year, why hold on to him for so long?

I think deadline prices are historically higher than offseason prices, so they may have felt like they could get more value in the offseason for him.

We're finally at the point where if there is a decision between calling up a prospect who may struggle prior to September 1 and a veteran who can provide some OBP and steady defense, they're going to call up the veteran. It's a league game, Smokey.

[Chuck to Chuck]

And if that's the case, I don't get why he wasn't moved in the offseason or at the deadline.

Because the return offered was too low. Outside of Price, who they weren't trading for, who did you want? Hamels? You really think a guy who posted .169/.227/.324/.551 was going to land you much?

He may suck, but no other team is going to give you someone very good for him. There's a better chance he finally figures it out compared to getting a good player back.

[SKO]

And if that's the case, I don't get why he wasn't moved in the offseason or at the deadline.

Because the return offered was too low. Outside of Price, who they weren't trading for, who did you want? Hamels? You really think a guy who posted .169/.227/.324/.551 was going to land you much?

He may suck, but no other team is going to give you someone very good for him. There's a better chance he finally figures it out compared to getting a good player back.

I heard they would not trade him for Tyson Ross, which I think would have been fair, but rumors are rumors.

I mean at the time I wanted them to keep Javy because I still want him to get another shot, but if they aren't going to give him one and the Padres would have taken him I doubt they get a better return after an extra few months of him hitting AAA pitching.

[Slaky]

And if that's the case, I don't get why he wasn't moved in the offseason or at the deadline.

Because the return offered was too low. Outside of Price, who they weren't trading for, who did you want? Hamels? You really think a guy who posted .169/.227/.324/.551 was going to land you much?

He may suck, but no other team is going to give you someone very good for him. There's a better chance he finally figures it out compared to getting a good player back.

Unfortunately Chuck is right. What perceived value do people think Baez has on his own? He's been horrible in the majors and he was hurt at the deadline.

If the Cubs were 25 games out I'm sure they'd be happy to give Baez a shot. Right now he's only valuable to this team as a defensive replacement.

[Oleg]

And if that's the case, I don't get why he wasn't moved in the offseason or at the deadline.

Because the return offered was too low. Outside of Price, who they weren't trading for, who did you want? Hamels? You really think a guy who posted .169/.227/.324/.551 was going to land you much?

He may suck, but no other team is going to give you someone very good for him. There's a better chance he finally figures it out compared to getting a good player back.

Unfortunately Chuck is right. What perceived value do people think Baez has on his own? He's been horrible in the majors and he was hurt at the deadline.

If the Cubs were 25 games out I'm sure they'd be happy to give Baez a shot. Right now he's only valuable to this team as a defensive replacement.

None of that is necessarily true.  229 PAs as a 21 year old in the majors isn't going to drop your value that much, I would think.  In fact, the fact that he has 229 PAs in the majors as a 21 year old is a good thing.  But, Chuslaky can believe whatever he wants.

[Chuck to Chuck]

And if that's the case, I don't get why he wasn't moved in the offseason or at the deadline.

Because the return offered was too low. Outside of Price, who they weren't trading for, who did you want? Hamels? You really think a guy who posted .169/.227/.324/.551 was going to land you much?

He may suck, but no other team is going to give you someone very good for him. There's a better chance he finally figures it out compared to getting a good player back.

Unfortunately Chuck is right. What perceived value do people think Baez has on his own? He's been horrible in the majors and he was hurt at the deadline.

If the Cubs were 25 games out I'm sure they'd be happy to give Baez a shot. Right now he's only valuable to this team as a defensive replacement.

None of that is necessarily true.  229 PAs as a 21 year old in the majors isn't going to drop your value that much, I would think.  In fact, the fact that he has 229 PAs in the majors as a 21 year old is a good thing.  But, Chuslaky can believe whatever he wants.

The 44.6% K Rate was atrocious.  And his trend line was bad.  Of his 52 MLB games played, his OPS was 655 his first 26 games, 446 in the final 26. There was nothing another MLB team would hang their hat on that he was a prospect that was worth trading top, established talent for.

229 PAs at age 21 is nice. What happened in those was not.

[Eli]

There was nothing another MLB team would hang their hat on that he was a prospect that was worth trading top, established talent for.

No, nothing at all. Nothing about his minor-league career or scouting reports would indicate he had talent or upside.

[SKO]

There was nothing another MLB team would hang their hat on that he was a prospect that was worth trading top, established talent for.

No, nothing at all. Nothing about his minor-league career or scouting reports would indicate he had talent or upside.

No, and given middle infielders with 40 homer potential grow on trees, no one would even dare take him as part of a package or consider gambling on him.

Frankly, I don't buy this. If the Cubs were going to write Baez off after a few bad months in the majors, they never should have called him up last year. Every thing in his history suggested his 100 or so PAs at any level were usually rough, and the majors were bound to be worse than that.