Javier Baez 2014 ROY-MVP-World Series MVP Thread

[Quality Start Machine]

This guy looks like a different player.  I will eagerly and happily eat my words, that he should've been dealt for Hamels, if this goes like it seems it could.  Fingers crossed because it would be shirtless hugs all around to see him succeed.

I needed to see it as well. It's early days but I'm excited. Javy always has been the most fascinating of the prospects even with Bryant and Schwarber. To add to it, Javy's personal story is pretty incredible.

His hitting will be up and down but the way Joe seems to be using him is taking a ton of pressure off his shoulders and letting him be himself. Remember last year we didn't have Bryant and Schwarber up. There was no Russell. There was no Arrieta. Cub fans were looking at Javy to give them a reason to think 2015 might be a good year. And he probably internalized a ton of that.

God I love Joe Maddon.

I love Joe, too, and he's definitely picked his spots to play Javy, but I think more credit should go to Theo and Jed for this one. Clearly we dipshits that clamored for Javy when Jonathan Herrera was making our eyes bleed should have been more patient, because obviously Javy didn't waste his time in the minors this year. He learned things and his approach is night and day from where it was last year and if they'd called him up before they deemed him ready it might really have wrecked things.

I won't doubt again. They know what they're doing.

Yep. He didn't appear to have learned anything based on his first game back and his AB vs Chapman. But since that...
.375 /.444/   .688/1.132    

No, Chuck.

[Saul Goodman]

This guy looks like a different player.  I will eagerly and happily eat my words, that he should've been dealt for Hamels, if this goes like it seems it could.  Fingers crossed because it would be shirtless hugs all around to see him succeed.

I needed to see it as well. It's early days but I'm excited. Javy always has been the most fascinating of the prospects even with Bryant and Schwarber. To add to it, Javy's personal story is pretty incredible.

His hitting will be up and down but the way Joe seems to be using him is taking a ton of pressure off his shoulders and letting him be himself. Remember last year we didn't have Bryant and Schwarber up. There was no Russell. There was no Arrieta. Cub fans were looking at Javy to give them a reason to think 2015 might be a good year. And he probably internalized a ton of that.

God I love Joe Maddon.

I love Joe, too, and he's definitely picked his spots to play Javy, but I think more credit should go to Theo and Jed for this one. Clearly we dipshits that clamored for Javy when Jonathan Herrera was making our eyes bleed should have been more patient, because obviously Javy didn't waste his time in the minors this year. He learned things and his approach is night and day from where it was last year and if they'd called him up before they deemed him ready it might really have wrecked things.

I won't doubt again. They know what they're doing.

Yep. He didn't appear to have learned anything based on his first game back and his AB vs Chapman. But since that...
.375 /.444/   .688/1.132    

No, Chuck.

Chuck's gonna Chuck.

[Quality Start Machine]

This guy looks like a different player.  I will eagerly and happily eat my words, that he should've been dealt for Hamels, if this goes like it seems it could.  Fingers crossed because it would be shirtless hugs all around to see him succeed.

I needed to see it as well. It's early days but I'm excited. Javy always has been the most fascinating of the prospects even with Bryant and Schwarber. To add to it, Javy's personal story is pretty incredible.

His hitting will be up and down but the way Joe seems to be using him is taking a ton of pressure off his shoulders and letting him be himself. Remember last year we didn't have Bryant and Schwarber up. There was no Russell. There was no Arrieta. Cub fans were looking at Javy to give them a reason to think 2015 might be a good year. And he probably internalized a ton of that.

God I love Joe Maddon.

I love Joe, too, and he's definitely picked his spots to play Javy, but I think more credit should go to Theo and Jed for this one. Clearly we dipshits that clamored for Javy when Jonathan Herrera was making our eyes bleed should have been more patient, because obviously Javy didn't waste his time in the minors this year. He learned things and his approach is night and day from where it was last year and if they'd called him up before they deemed him ready it might really have wrecked things.

I won't doubt again. They know what they're doing.

Yep. He didn't appear to have learned anything based on his first game back and his AB vs Chapman. But since that...
.375 /.444/   .688/1.132    

No, Chuck.

Chuck's gonna Chuck.

Yeah, a 6-pitch AB that ran to a full count and didn't end in a K against Chapman. Clearly he was shit on that one.

[thehawk]

This guy looks like a different player.  I will eagerly and happily eat my words, that he should've been dealt for Hamels, if this goes like it seems it could.  Fingers crossed because it would be shirtless hugs all around to see him succeed.

I needed to see it as well. It's early days but I'm excited. Javy always has been the most fascinating of the prospects even with Bryant and Schwarber. To add to it, Javy's personal story is pretty incredible.

His hitting will be up and down but the way Joe seems to be using him is taking a ton of pressure off his shoulders and letting him be himself. Remember last year we didn't have Bryant and Schwarber up. There was no Russell. There was no Arrieta. Cub fans were looking at Javy to give them a reason to think 2015 might be a good year. And he probably internalized a ton of that.

God I love Joe Maddon.

I love Joe, too, and he's definitely picked his spots to play Javy, but I think more credit should go to Theo and Jed for this one. Clearly we dipshits that clamored for Javy when Jonathan Herrera was making our eyes bleed should have been more patient, because obviously Javy didn't waste his time in the minors this year. He learned things and his approach is night and day from where it was last year and if they'd called him up before they deemed him ready it might really have wrecked things.

I won't doubt again. They know what they're doing.

Yep. He didn't appear to have learned anything based on his first game back and his AB vs Chapman. But since that...
.375 /.444/   .688/1.132    

No, Chuck.

Chuck's gonna Chuck.

Yeah, a 6-pitch AB that ran to a full count and didn't end in a K against Chapman. Clearly he was shit on that one.

Alternatively, its Aroldis Frikin Chapman.  I wouldn't find that much significance if he struck out on two pitches against that mutant.

[SKO]

This guy looks like a different player.  I will eagerly and happily eat my words, that he should've been dealt for Hamels, if this goes like it seems it could.  Fingers crossed because it would be shirtless hugs all around to see him succeed.

I needed to see it as well. It's early days but I'm excited. Javy always has been the most fascinating of the prospects even with Bryant and Schwarber. To add to it, Javy's personal story is pretty incredible.

His hitting will be up and down but the way Joe seems to be using him is taking a ton of pressure off his shoulders and letting him be himself. Remember last year we didn't have Bryant and Schwarber up. There was no Russell. There was no Arrieta. Cub fans were looking at Javy to give them a reason to think 2015 might be a good year. And he probably internalized a ton of that.

God I love Joe Maddon.

I love Joe, too, and he's definitely picked his spots to play Javy, but I think more credit should go to Theo and Jed for this one. Clearly we dipshits that clamored for Javy when Jonathan Herrera was making our eyes bleed should have been more patient, because obviously Javy didn't waste his time in the minors this year. He learned things and his approach is night and day from where it was last year and if they'd called him up before they deemed him ready it might really have wrecked things.

I won't doubt again. They know what they're doing.

Yep. He didn't appear to have learned anything based on his first game back and his AB vs Chapman. But since that...
.375 /.444/   .688/1.132    

No, Chuck.

Chuck's gonna Chuck.

Yeah, a 6-pitch AB that ran to a full count and didn't end in a K against Chapman. Clearly he was shit on that one.

Alternatively, its Aroldis Frikin Chapman.  I wouldn't find that much significance if he struck out on two pitches against that mutant.

Yeah but you see there's no way Chuck allowed his confirmation bias to allow him to overreact to one swing, so Javy must have made his adjustments afterwards, clearly.

[Chuck to Chuck]

This guy looks like a different player.  I will eagerly and happily eat my words, that he should've been dealt for Hamels, if this goes like it seems it could.  Fingers crossed because it would be shirtless hugs all around to see him succeed.

I needed to see it as well. It's early days but I'm excited. Javy always has been the most fascinating of the prospects even with Bryant and Schwarber. To add to it, Javy's personal story is pretty incredible.

His hitting will be up and down but the way Joe seems to be using him is taking a ton of pressure off his shoulders and letting him be himself. Remember last year we didn't have Bryant and Schwarber up. There was no Russell. There was no Arrieta. Cub fans were looking at Javy to give them a reason to think 2015 might be a good year. And he probably internalized a ton of that.

God I love Joe Maddon.

I love Joe, too, and he's definitely picked his spots to play Javy, but I think more credit should go to Theo and Jed for this one. Clearly we dipshits that clamored for Javy when Jonathan Herrera was making our eyes bleed should have been more patient, because obviously Javy didn't waste his time in the minors this year. He learned things and his approach is night and day from where it was last year and if they'd called him up before they deemed him ready it might really have wrecked things.

I won't doubt again. They know what they're doing.

Yep. He didn't appear to have learned anything based on his first game back and his AB vs Chapman. But since that...
.375 /.444/   .688/1.132    

No, Chuck.

Chuck's gonna Chuck.

Yeah, a 6-pitch AB that ran to a full count and didn't end in a K against Chapman. Clearly he was shit on that one.

Alternatively, its Aroldis Frikin Chapman.  I wouldn't find that much significance if he struck out on two pitches against that mutant.

Yeah but you see there's no way Chuck allowed his confirmation bias to allow him to overreact to one swing, so Javy must have made his adjustments afterwards, clearly.

that swing was obviously not a good one by any stretch of the imagination

[SKO]

This guy looks like a different player.  I will eagerly and happily eat my words, that he should've been dealt for Hamels, if this goes like it seems it could.  Fingers crossed because it would be shirtless hugs all around to see him succeed.

I needed to see it as well. It's early days but I'm excited. Javy always has been the most fascinating of the prospects even with Bryant and Schwarber. To add to it, Javy's personal story is pretty incredible.

His hitting will be up and down but the way Joe seems to be using him is taking a ton of pressure off his shoulders and letting him be himself. Remember last year we didn't have Bryant and Schwarber up. There was no Russell. There was no Arrieta. Cub fans were looking at Javy to give them a reason to think 2015 might be a good year. And he probably internalized a ton of that.

God I love Joe Maddon.

I love Joe, too, and he's definitely picked his spots to play Javy, but I think more credit should go to Theo and Jed for this one. Clearly we dipshits that clamored for Javy when Jonathan Herrera was making our eyes bleed should have been more patient, because obviously Javy didn't waste his time in the minors this year. He learned things and his approach is night and day from where it was last year and if they'd called him up before they deemed him ready it might really have wrecked things.

I won't doubt again. They know what they're doing.

Yep. He didn't appear to have learned anything based on his first game back and his AB vs Chapman. But since that...
.375 /.444/   .688/1.132    

No, Chuck.

Chuck's gonna Chuck.

Yeah, a 6-pitch AB that ran to a full count and didn't end in a K against Chapman. Clearly he was shit on that one.

Alternatively, its Aroldis Frikin Chapman.  I wouldn't find that much significance if he struck out on two pitches against that mutant.

Yeah but you see there's no way Chuck allowed his confirmation bias to allow him to overreact to one swing, so Javy must have made his adjustments afterwards, clearly.

that swing was obviously not a good one by any stretch of the imagination

You'll note that in the same post where I said that swing wasn't very good that he was "obviously more patient overall". There's a difference between saying the swing sucked and he "didn't appear to have learned anything"

[Chuck to Chuck]

This guy looks like a different player.  I will eagerly and happily eat my words, that he should've been dealt for Hamels, if this goes like it seems it could.  Fingers crossed because it would be shirtless hugs all around to see him succeed.

I needed to see it as well. It's early days but I'm excited. Javy always has been the most fascinating of the prospects even with Bryant and Schwarber. To add to it, Javy's personal story is pretty incredible.

His hitting will be up and down but the way Joe seems to be using him is taking a ton of pressure off his shoulders and letting him be himself. Remember last year we didn't have Bryant and Schwarber up. There was no Russell. There was no Arrieta. Cub fans were looking at Javy to give them a reason to think 2015 might be a good year. And he probably internalized a ton of that.

God I love Joe Maddon.

I love Joe, too, and he's definitely picked his spots to play Javy, but I think more credit should go to Theo and Jed for this one. Clearly we dipshits that clamored for Javy when Jonathan Herrera was making our eyes bleed should have been more patient, because obviously Javy didn't waste his time in the minors this year. He learned things and his approach is night and day from where it was last year and if they'd called him up before they deemed him ready it might really have wrecked things.

I won't doubt again. They know what they're doing.

Yep. He didn't appear to have learned anything based on his first game back and his AB vs Chapman. But since that...
.375 /.444/   .688/1.132    

No, Chuck.

Chuck's gonna Chuck.

Yeah, a 6-pitch AB that ran to a full count and didn't end in a K against Chapman. Clearly he was shit on that one.

Alternatively, its Aroldis Frikin Chapman.  I wouldn't find that much significance if he struck out on two pitches against that mutant.

Yeah but you see there's no way Chuck allowed his confirmation bias to allow him to overreact to one swing, so Javy must have made his adjustments afterwards, clearly.

that swing was obviously not a good one by any stretch of the imagination

You'll note that in the same post where I said that swing wasn't very good that he was "obviously more patient overall". There's a difference between saying the swing sucked and he "didn't appear to have learned anything"

Both sides have a point.

[Oleg]

As I'm shaking my head at Chuck's wrongness, I turn around just in time to see Baez get a base hit on an 0-2 count.

[Saul Goodman]

As I'm shaking my head at Chuck's wrongness, I turn around just in time to see Baez get a base hit on an 0-2 count.

FYC

[R-V]

Expanding on an offhand Penfoe tweet - and I believe this is something we talked about based on Javy's BMI earlier this year, but I can't seem to find that discussion now - could this be an option for 2016 if Fowler gets a huge 5 year offer? I am also recalling Baez mentioning that CF was his favorite position to play, and based on what he's done at the other infield spots I'm imagining he could be more than competent in the outfield.

2B Coghlan **
LF Schwarber
1B Rizzo
3B Bryant
RF Soler **
SS Russell
CF Baez
C  Montero/Ross *

* Contreras can step in when SKO assassinates Ross
**Also options for improvement via trade or free agency (Kendrick/Zobrist/Heyward/Parra)

[World's #1 Astros Fan]

Expanding on an offhand Penfoe tweet - and I believe this is something we talked about based on Javy's BMI earlier this year, but I can't seem to find that discussion now - could this be an option for 2016 if Fowler gets a huge 5 year offer? I am also recalling Baez mentioning that CF was his favorite position to play, and based on what he's done at the other infield spots I'm imagining he could be more than competent in the outfield.

2B Coghlan **
LF Schwarber
1B Rizzo
3B Bryant
RF Soler **
SS Russell
CF Baez
C  Montero/Ross *

* Contreras can step in when SKO assassinates Ross
**Also options for improvement via trade or free agency (Kendrick/Zobrist/Heyward/Parra)

Coghlan in an un-platooned role at second base?  Have you gone mad?

[Brownie]

Expanding on an offhand Penfoe tweet - and I believe this is something we talked about based on Javy's BMI earlier this year, but I can't seem to find that discussion now - could this be an option for 2016 if Fowler gets a huge 5 year offer? I am also recalling Baez mentioning that CF was his favorite position to play, and based on what he's done at the other infield spots I'm imagining he could be more than competent in the outfield.

2B Coghlan **
LF Schwarber
1B Rizzo
3B Bryant
RF Soler **
SS Russell
CF Baez
C  Montero/Ross *

* Contreras can step in when SKO assassinates Ross
**Also options for improvement via trade or free agency (Kendrick/Zobrist/Heyward/Parra)

Coghlan in an un-platooned role at second base?  Have you gone mad?

Platoon Coghlan with Starlin Castro, Maddon's new Zobrist, this time with 98.76% more FYCs/

[Quality Start Machine]

Expanding on an offhand Penfoe tweet - and I believe this is something we talked about based on Javy's BMI earlier this year, but I can't seem to find that discussion now - could this be an option for 2016 if Fowler gets a huge 5 year offer? I am also recalling Baez mentioning that CF was his favorite position to play, and based on what he's done at the other infield spots I'm imagining he could be more than competent in the outfield.

2B Coghlan **
LF Schwarber
1B Rizzo
3B Bryant
RF Soler **
SS Russell
CF Baez
C  Montero/Ross *

* Contreras can step in when SKO assassinates Ross
**Also options for improvement via trade or free agency (Kendrick/Zobrist/Heyward/Parra)

A Schwarber/Baez/Soler outfield sounds fucking ghastly. Please sign Dexter.

[Saul Goodman]

As much as I would love having Ben Zobrist on the Cubs, bringing his wife's smooth listening contemporary Christian stylings to the walkup music rotation, it's probably too crowded of a cheap cost-controlled talent picture next year to pay him what he's probably going to get. No?