Kris Bryant Firehose of Splooge Thread

[R-V]

John Arguello reads this message board?

http://www.chicagonow.com/cubs-den/2014/06/cubs-need-to-stick-to-their-plan-when-it-comes-to-kris-bryant-and-the-rebuild/

[Eli]

John Arguello reads this message board?

http://www.chicagonow.com/cubs-den/2014/06/cubs-need-to-stick-to-their-plan-when-it-comes-to-kris-bryant-and-the-rebuild/

He kind of just says a bunch of nothing. There's no reason to rigidly follow a process just to say you're following a process. Sure, make a plan, but you deviate from it if circumstances suggest you should. If the plan was for Bryant to get 300 at-bats before moving up to AAA and he bombed by putting up a .600 OPS, would people suggest he move up anyway because that's what the process called for?

[R-V]

John Arguello reads this message board?

http://www.chicagonow.com/cubs-den/2014/06/cubs-need-to-stick-to-their-plan-when-it-comes-to-kris-bryant-and-the-rebuild/

He kind of just says a bunch of nothing. There's no reason to rigidly follow a process just to say you're following a process. Sure, make a plan, but you deviate from it if circumstances suggest you should. If the plan was for Bryant to get 300 at-bats before moving up to AAA and he bombed by putting up a .600 OPS, would people suggest he move up anyway because that's what the process called for?

He's not claiming that The Plan calls for a fixed number of plate appearances at each stop for each prospect. I also don't think he's saying that The Plan is a rigid process without any subjective evaluation going on. He's saying that "The team has sucked for 5 years now, and we're all sick of watching bad players" is NOT a good reason to deviate from your minor league development plan.

[Tinker to Evers to Chance]

I think the front office is waiting for Jim Tocco to see him play 100 games before they move him up.

[Eli]

He's not claiming that The Plan calls for a fixed number of plate appearances at each stop for each prospect. I also don't think he's saying that The Plan is a rigid process without any subjective evaluation going on. He's saying that "The team has sucked for 5 years now, and we're all sick of watching bad players" is NOT a good reason to deviate from your minor league development plan.

I agree with that, but it seems like sort of a strawman. I don't think that's why most people think Bryant can safely be promoted at this point.

[InternetApex]

He's not claiming that The Plan calls for a fixed number of plate appearances at each stop for each prospect. I also don't think he's saying that The Plan is a rigid process without any subjective evaluation going on. He's saying that "The team has sucked for 5 years now, and we're all sick of watching bad players" is NOT a good reason to deviate from your minor league development plan.

I agree with that, but it seems like sort of a strawman. I don't think that's why most people think Bryant can safely be promoted at this point.

I think most people have no idea what the fuck they're talking about, including everybody (except maybe Len Kasper. Hi, Len!) who reads this messageboard. But lots of people are clamoring for the prospects to speed up for just that very reason.

It seems to me that you want to hasten his advancement to AAA based on his AA numbers and not much else. I'm saying, if they have a reason for not doing that right ass now, it's probably a good one and they're not just trolling you.

[Eli]

It seems to me that you want to hasten his advancement to AAA based on his AA numbers and not much else.

That's true. I guess I'm only forming my opinion from his Ruthian results as opposed to

[Saul Goodman]

It seems to me that you want to hasten his advancement to AAA based on his AA numbers and not much else.

That's true. I guess I'm only forming my opinion from his Ruthian results as opposed to

...his dreamy eyes? His penchant for healing sick kittens?

[thehawk]

Two thoughts:

1. Could someone get the Tennessee Smokies a character generator that wasn't from an Atari 2600?  It's like watching highlights from 1977.
2.  Smokies park is a bit of a bandbox at 330 down the lines. 

[Saul Goodman]

Two thoughts:

1. Could someone get the Tennessee Smokies a character generator that wasn't from an Atari 2600?  It's like watching highlights from 1977.

Hey ... wait a minute ...

Take THAT, 17 year old Josh Vitters!

FAKE.  That video is clearly from the 1980s.

I was only off by a few years.

2.  Smokies park is a bit of a bandbox at 330 down the lines. 

IT'S REDNECK COORS FIELD, BRYANT ACTUALLY SUCKS, THE CUBS BE DOOMED, DAMN IT JEPSTINK

[thehawk]

Two thoughts:

1. Could someone get the Tennessee Smokies a character generator that wasn't from an Atari 2600?  It's like watching highlights from 1977.

Hey ... wait a minute ...

Take THAT, 17 year old Josh Vitters!

FAKE.  That video is clearly from the 1980s.

I was only off by a few years.

2.  Smokies park is a bit of a bandbox at 330 down the lines. 

IT'S REDNECK COORS FIELD, BRYANT ACTUALLY SUCKS, THE CUBS BE DOOMED, DAMN IT JEPSTINK

I wasn't saying the highlight was fake, they're real (and they're spectacular), but CRANE KENNY SHOULD CLEARLY GET SOME GRAPHICS DOWN TO THE MINORS TO MEND THE SEASON TICKET HOLDERS BROKEN HEARTS

As to comment 2, I just find it a bit odd when the announcer said "he hit it like 340" and then realized thats just a long somewhat loud out at Wrigley.

[Saul Goodman]

Two thoughts:

1. Could someone get the Tennessee Smokies a character generator that wasn't from an Atari 2600?  It's like watching highlights from 1977.

Hey ... wait a minute ...

Take THAT, 17 year old Josh Vitters!

FAKE.  That video is clearly from the 1980s.

I was only off by a few years.

2.  Smokies park is a bit of a bandbox at 330 down the lines. 

IT'S REDNECK COORS FIELD, BRYANT ACTUALLY SUCKS, THE CUBS BE DOOMED, DAMN IT JEPSTINK

I wasn't saying the highlight was fake, they're real (and they're spectacular), but CRANE KENNY SHOULD CLEARLY GET SOME GRAPHICS DOWN TO THE MINORS TO MEND THE SEASON TICKET HOLDERS BROKEN HEARTS

As to comment 2, I just find it a bit odd when the announcer said "he hit it like 340" and then realized thats just a long somewhat loud out at Wrigley.

Finally, a reason to hate Crane Kenny!  Bless you, Hawk.

[Quality Start Machine]

Just take a moment here to realize that the Chicago Cubs currently have more prospects than positions.

I don't know why, but this reminds me of Gil's "60% of the way to first base line."

I'm mis-assigning a metric, I'm simply stating there are more than one prospect per position in the system, everywhere but catcher. Which is where a good team wants to be, and the Cubs never are.

[World's #1 Astros Fan]

Two thoughts:

1. Could someone get the Tennessee Smokies a character generator that wasn't from an Atari 2600?  It's like watching highlights from 1977.
2.  Smokies park is a bit of a bandbox at 330 down the lines. 

330 down the lines indicates a "bandbox"?

[thehawk]

Two thoughts:

1. Could someone get the Tennessee Smokies a character generator that wasn't from an Atari 2600?  It's like watching highlights from 1977.
2.  Smokies park is a bit of a bandbox at 330 down the lines. 

330 down the lines indicates a "bandbox"?

I said somthing of a bandbox, but it is quite a bit more snugh than the 355 to the lines at ye ole friendly confines.

In looking at the other cubs minor league parks dimensions, West Tenn the same as Boise, five feet down the lines shorter than Iowa and Kane County and 13 feet longer to left (!) and 5 feet longer to right than Daytonna (all the parks are 400 feet to center).

I dont know if it means anything (and it probably doesnt) but if I generally managed a franchise I would want as few variables between my minor league and major league facilities (although I imagine (hope?) that the Cubs use park adjusted stats).  I also find it mildly interesting that the dimensions for the Cubs spring park went from 340/410/350 at HoHoKam to 360/410/360 at the new place.