We'll All Want To Have Albert Almora's Babies in 2016 Thread

[Quality Start Machine]

He's going to look great covering that cavernous center field at Petco next year after being dealt for Tyson Ross.

I'd take that in a heartbeat.

So would I. I can't imagine any scenario where the Cubs hand him the keys to CF in 2016. I'm kind of back on board with hoping Fowler accepts a modest extension as a bridge to whomever the CF in late 2017-2018 may be. Hopefully either Ian Happ or Eddy Julio Martinez. In the meanwhile, Almora is probably best off hitting his way back to being a trade chip and getting moved to a team that can afford to wait for him to develop if he takes as long to catch up to AAA and then ML pitching as he did to master AA.

If he's still in the organization, he gets at least all of 2016 in Iowa. He's still only going to be 22 next season, and there's nothing about his bat that indicates he should make the jump from AA to the bigs.

[Yeti]

Wondering what a Baez, Almora, Castro package could get the Cubs.

Matt Garza.

Chase Utley

If RAJ wouldn't consider something along the lines of receiving Castro and Vogelbach while the Cubs take the remainder of Utley's salary off his hands then he go take a flying fuck. 

that would be a significant overpay for Chase Utley's bloated, expensive corpse. Especially since I don't think his option for 2016 will vest, so you're paying for a month of the guy. That said if the Phillies really would take Castro's contract for the low, low price of eating a month of Utley's deal, SOLD.

The corpse is very much alive: .500/.500/.808/1.308 with only 3 Ks in 26 PAs since returning from injury.

And, yes, if the Cubs could unload Castro's future $41.4 million by taking on $6.6 million of Utley's salary/exit payment, you charter the planes in each direction.

Doesn't matter, since Amaro says he's likely to stay with the Phillies the rest of the year anyway. Wonder if Amaro is to blame for that or if Utley went full Dempster on him.

"Full Dempster": Get traded. Give your new team .3 bWAR (1.0 fWAR). The guy you were traded for has put up 4.0 bWAR (3.6fWAR) in 2 seasons.

Speaking of, time for a Randall Delgado update! In that same timeframe, he has put up less than 1.0 WAR no matter which site you use. He has a nice, shiny 2.79 ERA but has a 4.11 xFIP. That player the Cubs had to settle for has a 3.43 xFIP. Way to fuck the Cubs, Demp!

[Eli]

Wondering what a Baez, Almora, Castro package could get the Cubs.

With that package, I think their target would be a player like Tyson Ross. Whether that's too much or too little depends on how you feel about Castro's value, I guess.

[SKO]

Wondering what a Baez, Almora, Castro package could get the Cubs.

Matt Garza.

Chase Utley

If RAJ wouldn't consider something along the lines of receiving Castro and Vogelbach while the Cubs take the remainder of Utley's salary off his hands then he go take a flying fuck.  

that would be a significant overpay for Chase Utley's bloated, expensive corpse. Especially since I don't think his option for 2016 will vest, so you're paying for a month of the guy. That said if the Phillies really would take Castro's contract for the low, low price of eating a month of Utley's deal, SOLD.

The corpse is very much alive: .500/.500/.808/1.308 with only 3 Ks in 26 PAs since returning from injury.

And, yes, if the Cubs could unload Castro's future $41.4 million by taking on $6.6 million of Utley's salary/exit payment, you charter the planes in each direction.

Doesn't matter, since Amaro says he's likely to stay with the Phillies the rest of the year anyway. Wonder if Amaro is to blame for that or if Utley went full Dempster on him.

"Full Dempster": Get traded. Give your new team .3 bWAR (1.0 fWAR). The guy you were traded for has put up 4.0 bWAR (3.6fWAR) in 2 seasons.

Speaking of, time for a Randall Delgado update! In that same timeframe, he has put up less than 1.0 WAR no matter which site you use. He has a nice, shiny 2.79 ERA but has a 4.11 xFIP. That player the Cubs had to settle for has a 3.43 xFIP. Way to fuck the Cubs, Demp!

Hey, contrarian Yeti, I get that the Dempster thing worked out for the Cubs. That doesn't make it unsuitable to the comparison I was making, which was "veteran player refuses to be traded unless his conditions are met."

[Yeti]

Wondering what a Baez, Almora, Castro package could get the Cubs.

Matt Garza.

Chase Utley

If RAJ wouldn't consider something along the lines of receiving Castro and Vogelbach while the Cubs take the remainder of Utley's salary off his hands then he go take a flying fuck.  

that would be a significant overpay for Chase Utley's bloated, expensive corpse. Especially since I don't think his option for 2016 will vest, so you're paying for a month of the guy. That said if the Phillies really would take Castro's contract for the low, low price of eating a month of Utley's deal, SOLD.

The corpse is very much alive: .500/.500/.808/1.308 with only 3 Ks in 26 PAs since returning from injury.

And, yes, if the Cubs could unload Castro's future $41.4 million by taking on $6.6 million of Utley's salary/exit payment, you charter the planes in each direction.

Doesn't matter, since Amaro says he's likely to stay with the Phillies the rest of the year anyway. Wonder if Amaro is to blame for that or if Utley went full Dempster on him.

"Full Dempster": Get traded. Give your new team .3 bWAR (1.0 fWAR). The guy you were traded for has put up 4.0 bWAR (3.6fWAR) in 2 seasons.

Speaking of, time for a Randall Delgado update! In that same timeframe, he has put up less than 1.0 WAR no matter which site you use. He has a nice, shiny 2.79 ERA but has a 4.11 xFIP. That player the Cubs had to settle for has a 3.43 xFIP. Way to fuck the Cubs, Demp!

Hey, contrarian Yeti, I get that the Dempster thing worked out for the Cubs. That doesn't make it unsuitable to the comparison I was making, which was "veteran player refuses to be traded unless his conditions are met."

You are correct. But as the resident "He wasn't so bad" guy, it was a reflex reaction

[SKO]

Wondering what a Baez, Almora, Castro package could get the Cubs.

Matt Garza.

Chase Utley

If RAJ wouldn't consider something along the lines of receiving Castro and Vogelbach while the Cubs take the remainder of Utley's salary off his hands then he go take a flying fuck.  

that would be a significant overpay for Chase Utley's bloated, expensive corpse. Especially since I don't think his option for 2016 will vest, so you're paying for a month of the guy. That said if the Phillies really would take Castro's contract for the low, low price of eating a month of Utley's deal, SOLD.

The corpse is very much alive: .500/.500/.808/1.308 with only 3 Ks in 26 PAs since returning from injury.

And, yes, if the Cubs could unload Castro's future $41.4 million by taking on $6.6 million of Utley's salary/exit payment, you charter the planes in each direction.

Doesn't matter, since Amaro says he's likely to stay with the Phillies the rest of the year anyway. Wonder if Amaro is to blame for that or if Utley went full Dempster on him.

"Full Dempster": Get traded. Give your new team .3 bWAR (1.0 fWAR). The guy you were traded for has put up 4.0 bWAR (3.6fWAR) in 2 seasons.

Speaking of, time for a Randall Delgado update! In that same timeframe, he has put up less than 1.0 WAR no matter which site you use. He has a nice, shiny 2.79 ERA but has a 4.11 xFIP. That player the Cubs had to settle for has a 3.43 xFIP. Way to fuck the Cubs, Demp!

Hey, contrarian Yeti, I get that the Dempster thing worked out for the Cubs. That doesn't make it unsuitable to the comparison I was making, which was "veteran player refuses to be traded unless his conditions are met."

You are correct. But as the resident "He wasn't so bad" guy, it was a reflex reaction

It was very good that they didn't did the trade. It's just still my most prominent example of a guy with 10/5 rights ensuring that a trade didn't get did.

Sounds like it was a perfect storm of Amaro wanting teams to take on the full salary and/or provide too good of a prospect plus Utley's refusal to go to any team that wouldn't guarantee him a full time starting job that killed all of the deals. The Dodgers naturally want someone to fill in for Kendrick while he's hurt, not replace him. Same goes for the Giants and Panik, and the Cubs probably didn't want to promise the spot to Utley when any combination of Coghlan/Baez/La Stella/Castro may end up being the better play.

[Oleg]

Wouldn't a better comp for the refuse-trade/eventual-trade scenario be McGriff?

[SKO]

Wouldn't a better comp for the refuse-trade/eventual-trade scenario be McGriff?

yeah but I was like 11 at the time and I don't really remember the particulars of that one.

[World's #1 Astros Fan]

Wouldn't a better comp for the refuse-trade/eventual-trade scenario be McGriff?

Rick Aguilera kinda pulled the same shit in 1999.

[SKO]

Wouldn't a better comp for the refuse-trade/eventual-trade scenario be McGriff?

Rick Aguilera kinda pulled the same shit in 1999.

I think Derrick Lee refused a trade to the Angels before later accepting one to the Braves. Regardless, Dempster stuck out since it was recent and highly publicized.

[Yeti]

Wouldn't a better comp for the refuse-trade/eventual-trade scenario be McGriff?

Rick Aguilera kinda pulled the same shit in 1999.

I think Derrick Lee refused a trade to the Angels before later accepting one to the Braves. Regardless, Dempster stuck out since it was recent and highly publicized.

And there is that hatred of Dempster that permeates here. We wanted to have Derrick's babies, so his refusal was easier to forgive.

[SKO]

Wouldn't a better comp for the refuse-trade/eventual-trade scenario be McGriff?

Rick Aguilera kinda pulled the same shit in 1999.

I think Derrick Lee refused a trade to the Angels before later accepting one to the Braves. Regardless, Dempster stuck out since it was recent and highly publicized.

And there is that hatred of Dempster that permeates here. We wanted to have Derrick's babies, so his refusal was easier to forgive.

Also Derrick was injured and terrible and was eventually traded for Braves flotsam instead of Angels flotsam, whereas Dempster refused a trade for a top pitching prospect that we thought we needed badly. The rage at Dempster was justified, and the fact that it turned out to be a blessing in disguise for the franchise shouldn't really abate anyone's rage at him needing Ned Colleti to check "no" on his "Do you like me?" note before agreeing to a deal.

[SKO]

DPD. It's fucking "Derrek". Not sure why I have such a hard time remembering how it was spelled given that he was my favorite Cub ever. Shame on me.

[InternetApex]

DPD. It's fucking "Derrek". Not sure why I have such a hard time remembering how it was spelled given that he was my favorite Cub ever. Shame on me.

I think there are too many fucking variations of that name. All their parents are turds for not getting together on it and saving us all the headaches.

[SKO]

DPD. It's fucking "Derrek". Not sure why I have such a hard time remembering how it was spelled given that he was my favorite Cub ever. Shame on me.

I think there are too many fucking variations of that name. All their parents are turds for not getting together on it and saving us all the headaches.

Fucking Derrick Rose has wrecked everything again.

Just Derek, people. One R, two Es, no fucking Is.