2014-2015: Apex's Mark Price Shirsey Returns!

[Slaky]

So Garpax's precious FLEXIBILITY is going to net the Bulls...34 year old Pau Gasol...if they're lucky? Awesome.

This front office isn't necessarily bad, they're just so ... lame.

Gasol is a marginally better Boozer, offensively. Just as bad defensively. Less annoying (much more lovable) and doesn't need spray paint for his hair.

He's a guy I wouldn't mind rooting for but it does zero for me making the Bulls a much better team.

This sucks.

Holy shit. No. He's more than marginally better than Boozer.

What numbers say he's much better than Boozer - not being a dick. Would love to hear your feedback.

[Richard Chuggar]

So Garpax's precious FLEXIBILITY is going to net the Bulls...34 year old Pau Gasol...if they're lucky? Awesome.

This front office isn't necessarily bad, they're just so ... lame.

Gasol is a marginally better Boozer, offensively. Just as bad defensively. Less annoying (much more lovable) and doesn't need spray paint for his hair.

He's a guy I wouldn't mind rooting for but it does zero for me making the Bulls a much better team.

This sucks.

Holy shit. No. He's more than marginally better than Boozer.

What numbers say he's much better than Boozer - not being a dick. Would love to hear your feedback.

It's not the numbers.  It's the letters that spell Lakers on the front of his jersey so he has to be good.  At least that's what Apex knows from watching the NBA for 3 years

[InternetApex]

So Garpax's precious FLEXIBILITY is going to net the Bulls...34 year old Pau Gasol...if they're lucky? Awesome.

This front office isn't necessarily bad, they're just so ... lame.

Gasol is a marginally better Boozer, offensively. Just as bad defensively. Less annoying (much more lovable) and doesn't need spray paint for his hair.

He's a guy I wouldn't mind rooting for but it does zero for me making the Bulls a much better team.

This sucks.

Holy shit. No. He's more than marginally better than Boozer.

What numbers say he's much better than Boozer - not being a dick. Would love to hear your feedback.

I don't have a ton of time to research this but here is a shot chart for Boozer for 2012-13.



That let's you know WHERE his 13-16 points per game. And if you've watched him, you know his post game has forsaken him. So unless it's something around the goal off a rebound or a pass from a teammate, he's shooting low-percentage midrange jumpers. Not what you want from your power forward unless he's LaMarcus Aldridge or Chris Bosh.

Here's a Gasol shot chart from the same season:



He spaces the floor like a Bosh. He also passes the ball much better than Boozer and TWO CHAMMENSHIP RANGZ MOFUCKA!!!!

Smarter people with more internet time could do better. But there's my two cents.

[PenFoe]

So Garpax's precious FLEXIBILITY is going to net the Bulls...34 year old Pau Gasol...if they're lucky? Awesome.

This front office isn't necessarily bad, they're just so ... lame.

Gasol is a marginally better Boozer, offensively. Just as bad defensively. Less annoying (much more lovable) and doesn't need spray paint for his hair.

He's a guy I wouldn't mind rooting for but it does zero for me making the Bulls a much better team.

This sucks.

Holy shit. No. He's more than marginally better than Boozer.

What numbers say he's much better than Boozer - not being a dick. Would love to hear your feedback.

I don't have a ton of time to research this but here is a shot chart for Boozer for 2012-13.



That let's you know WHERE his 13-16 points per game. And if you've watched him, you know his post game has forsaken him. So unless it's something around the goal off a rebound or a pass from a teammate, he's shooting low-percentage midrange jumpers. Not what you want from your power forward unless he's LaMarcus Aldridge or Chris Bosh.

Here's a Gasol shot chart from the same season:



He spaces the floor like a Bosh. He also passes the ball much better than Boozer and TWO CHAMMENSHIP RANGZ MOFUCKA!!!!

Smarter people with more internet time could do better. But there's my two cents.

Sorry - I'm not seeing this here.

Looks like Boozer is taking about 45% of his shots right by the basket, which looks pretty consistent with that 2nd Gasol chart. I counted 17/45 shots (purple circles) being right in the paint (42.5%).

If you want to say Gasol is a better passer, that's fine and fair. 

But Gasol has also averaged 58 games/season over the past 3 years and Boozer has averaged 74, so that feels important too.

[InternetApex]

So Garpax's precious FLEXIBILITY is going to net the Bulls...34 year old Pau Gasol...if they're lucky? Awesome.

This front office isn't necessarily bad, they're just so ... lame.

Gasol is a marginally better Boozer, offensively. Just as bad defensively. Less annoying (much more lovable) and doesn't need spray paint for his hair.

He's a guy I wouldn't mind rooting for but it does zero for me making the Bulls a much better team.

This sucks.

Holy shit. No. He's more than marginally better than Boozer.

What numbers say he's much better than Boozer - not being a dick. Would love to hear your feedback.

I don't have a ton of time to research this but here is a shot chart for Boozer for 2012-13.



That let's you know WHERE his 13-16 points per game. And if you've watched him, you know his post game has forsaken him. So unless it's something around the goal off a rebound or a pass from a teammate, he's shooting low-percentage midrange jumpers. Not what you want from your power forward unless he's LaMarcus Aldridge or Chris Bosh.

Here's a Gasol shot chart from the same season:



He spaces the floor like a Bosh. He also passes the ball much better than Boozer and TWO CHAMMENSHIP RANGZ MOFUCKA!!!!

Smarter people with more internet time could do better. But there's my two cents.

Sorry - I'm not seeing this here.

Looks like Boozer is taking about 45% of his shots right by the basket, which looks pretty consistent with that 2nd Gasol chart. I counted 17/45 shots (purple circles) being right in the paint (42.5%).

If you want to say Gasol is a better passer, that's fine and fair. 

But Gasol has also averaged 58 games/season over the past 3 years and Boozer has averaged 74, so that feels important too.

Ok, I don't have numbers that tell me that Gasol is guarded by opponents' best post defenders and Boozer is rarely respected and gets a lot of, "Oh, yeah. He can make that if you don't guard him, bro" shots.

The injury history is valid but Booz has not been a picture of health since signing that deal. So we can agree to disagree but I will argue until I'm blue in the face that an opposing team must account for Pau on defense and Boozer is a fucking turd.

[Yeti]

... I'm feeling some meatball-esque irrtation as it becomes more clear how long this rebuilding process is going to take. But hey, every chance to win is sacred and all that, right?

Depends on what you mean by "a chance."

I guess we know what Theo meant by it.

What's your particular beef - with the moves they made (or didn't make) this offseason, or something else?

Basically, this thread is not for well-informed opinions so I don't really have much to offer. I just wish the team wasn't so terrible and that the short-term outlook was better. My irrational concern is that Theo will get too wrapped up in the purity of his farm/draft rebuild effort and not want to sign free agents or trade for bigger names and they'll still be a .500-or-worse ballclub in 2015.

This is based on absolutely nothing.

If the Cubs are going to suck anyway, why throw good money after bad? Also, in order to get any decent players to want to swim in this cesspool of bad ballplayers, they'd need to give them long-term deals that would eventually block younger players from moving up.

I don't think you'll still see the Kevin Greggs of the world around here next year. 2014 will be the March to .500.

If 2014 is about watching the top prospects (we know the names) sink or swim at the top level and evaluating them before filling in the gaps through trade/free agency for 2015, I'll be satisfied with the timeline. That means, I don't care if they're at or around .500 next year but by 2015, they'd better be or else, I don't know, go Heat.

Won't LeBron be back in Cleveland by then?

No.

YUP

[CT III]

... I'm feeling some meatball-esque irrtation as it becomes more clear how long this rebuilding process is going to take. But hey, every chance to win is sacred and all that, right?

Depends on what you mean by "a chance."

I guess we know what Theo meant by it.

What's your particular beef - with the moves they made (or didn't make) this offseason, or something else?

Basically, this thread is not for well-informed opinions so I don't really have much to offer. I just wish the team wasn't so terrible and that the short-term outlook was better. My irrational concern is that Theo will get too wrapped up in the purity of his farm/draft rebuild effort and not want to sign free agents or trade for bigger names and they'll still be a .500-or-worse ballclub in 2015.

This is based on absolutely nothing.

If the Cubs are going to suck anyway, why throw good money after bad? Also, in order to get any decent players to want to swim in this cesspool of bad ballplayers, they'd need to give them long-term deals that would eventually block younger players from moving up.

I don't think you'll still see the Kevin Greggs of the world around here next year. 2014 will be the March to .500.

If 2014 is about watching the top prospects (we know the names) sink or swim at the top level and evaluating them before filling in the gaps through trade/free agency for 2015, I'll be satisfied with the timeline. That means, I don't care if they're at or around .500 next year but by 2015, they'd better be or else, I don't know, go Heat.

Won't LeBron be back in Cleveland by then?

No.

YUP

I'm just gonna leave this right here...

http://www.si.com/nba/2014/07/11/lebron-james-cleveland-cavaliers

*backs out of thread*

[R-V]

Mods, please shut this thread down as the initial question has been answered.

[Eli]

*sips wine in a warm bath while re-reading all of Apex's retweets over the past few days*

[CT III]

*sips wine in a warm bath while re-reading all of Apex's retweets over the past few days*

If that's fun for you you're AN IDITO.

[Eli]

*sips wine in a warm bath while re-reading all of Apex's retweets over the past few days*

If that's fun for you you're AN IDITO.

I never said otherwise.

[PenFoe]

As a placeholder until Morph gets here...

[Saul Goodman]

When @shaq said "Master of Panic" he might well have been talking about yall. I love you but you people are insane. The king stays. Watch.

What if LeBron leaves and I just don't? People would stop calling me a bandwagon fan, but I never cared about that. The @cavs, man.... man.

[InternetApex]

As a placeholder until Morph gets here...

Nicely done.

[InternetApex]

So my DECISION is this. I'll be following the Cavs, Heat, Rockets (expecting Bosh decision), Celtics (Brad Stevens coaches there) and fuck it, why not, the Knicks next season.

In my lifetime, I've called each of those teams my favorite. I don't really feel like picking one right now, although LeBron remains my favorite player (yay.) Maybe one of them will pick me. I don't know.

I need about four months to process this.