Bears 2015 Draft Discussion

[Slaky]

Assuming we're not going to see a miraculous turnaround, and setting playoff flameouts aside, is this the most disappointing Chicago team in the last 20 years or so(preseason expectations vs. regular season output)? 2004 Cubs - who else?

Great, now CT is gonna talk about the 2004 Cubs again forever.

Best Cubs team of my lifetime.

The 2013-14 Ice Hogs top my list.

[Saul Goodman]

Assuming we're not going to see a miraculous turnaround, and setting playoff flameouts aside, is this the most disappointing Chicago team in the last 20 years or so(preseason expectations vs. regular season output)? 2004 Cubs - who else?

Big Z was the truth that season.  Career-high 6.7 bWAR.  (fWAR was 4.4: same as 2003 and both career bests.)

[World's #1 Astros Fan]

Assuming we're not going to see a miraculous turnaround, and setting playoff flameouts aside, is this the most disappointing Chicago team in the last 20 years or so(preseason expectations vs. regular season output)? 2004 Cubs - who else?

I'd liken them more to the 1991 Cubs--2 years removed from a division title, and they went out and signed Danny Jackson, Dave Smith and George Bell...and proceeded to shit the tub.

The 2004 Cubs were a whole different animal, IMO.

[ChuckD]

Assuming we're not going to see a miraculous turnaround, and setting playoff flameouts aside, is this the most disappointing Chicago team in the last 20 years or so(preseason expectations vs. regular season output)? 2004 Cubs - who else?

2008 was worse than 2004, I think. At least in 2004 they just missed the playoffs. 2008 they had the best record in the NL and were bounced in 3 not-at-all-close games.

[SKO]

Assuming we're not going to see a miraculous turnaround, and setting playoff flameouts aside, is this the most disappointing Chicago team in the last 20 years or so(preseason expectations vs. regular season output)? 2004 Cubs - who else?

2008 was worse than 2004, I think. At least in 2004 they just missed the playoffs. 2008 they had the best record in the NL and were bounced in 3 not-at-all-close games.

Yeah but they still made the damn playoffs. If this Bears team goes 7-2 down the stretch and gets to 10-6 and then gets trounced in the wildcard round I'd call it a victory and a validation for the Emery plan and I'd get excited for Emery getting a second offseason and more cap room to build a defense that can be legitimately good and not just "acceptable if the offense plays up to par." I'd absolutely take the 2008 Cubs version of the Bears right now.


2004 seems appropriate in that both teams have/had a shit ton of offensive firepower, a lot of guys who seem to be having great individual statistical seasons (Cutler, Forte, Bennett, Alshon), yet it all adds up to a giant contemptible turd pile.

[SKO]

Apex said it best. This team isn't fun to watch. That just plain blows. Last year was fun because even with the defense imploding the offense was doing shit we'd never seen before and it was just fun to see them play a bunch of shootuts after years of coming up short in 17-13 slugfests. This year everything is like pulling teeth.


Go Cubs.

[PenFoe]

Apex said it best. This team isn't fun to watch. That just plain blows. Last year was fun because even with the defense imploding the offense was doing shit we'd never seen before and it was just fun to see them play a bunch of shootuts after years of coming up short in 17-13 slugfests. This year everything is like pulling teeth.


Go Cubs.

That 2004 team was really unlikeable - is this team unlikeable for you guys?

[SKO]

Apex said it best. This team isn't fun to watch. That just plain blows. Last year was fun because even with the defense imploding the offense was doing shit we'd never seen before and it was just fun to see them play a bunch of shootuts after years of coming up short in 17-13 slugfests. This year everything is like pulling teeth.


Go Cubs.

That 2004 team was really unlikeable - is this team unlikeable for you guys?

Oh god yes. The tard-faced QB who repeatedly shits on those of us who defend him and has somehow managed to suck any vindication for us out of what, statistically, will be a career year but isn't adding up to shit. The Genius who is smarter than everyone but doesn't know what a slant route is. The crazy wide receiver screaming at everyone like he hasn't also been absent half of the season. Chris Conte. There's lots of hate to be had here.

[SKO]

Like, honestly, if you'd have told me that almost halfway through the season Jay was going to be sitting at 67%, with a 2-1 TD:INT ratio, a passer rating in the mid-90s, and on pace for 4000+ YDs and 30+ TDs, I'd have spent time delicately crafting the ways in which I was going to tell Pen to suck it every day and looking forward to the 7-0 or 6-1 Bears just rolling their way through the league.

But here we are, and despite his numbers he's been ass a good 40% of the time he's been on the field this year. This is what my work hath wrought. I hate everything.

[InternetApex]

Also: Jared Fucking Allen. A Chicago Bear. I have always hated that dude and never more so than this very moment of my life.

[PenFoe]

Good stuff, this hate.

I've hated many a Steeler over the past 30+ years, but I've only hated the whole team a couple times (like last year.)

[J. Walter Weatherman]

Like, honestly, if you'd have told me that almost halfway through the season Jay was going to be sitting at 67%, with a 2-1 TD:INT ratio, a passer rating in the mid-90s, and on pace for 4000+ YDs and 30+ TDs, I'd have spent time delicately crafting the ways in which I was going to tell Pen to suck it every day and looking forward to the 7-0 or 6-1 Bears just rolling their way through the league.

But here we are, and despite his numbers he's been ass a good 40% of the time he's been on the field this year. This is what my work hath wrought. I hate everything.

If it's any comfort, I doubt your work had any effect on any of this whatsoever.

[SKO]

Like, honestly, if you'd have told me that almost halfway through the season Jay was going to be sitting at 67%, with a 2-1 TD:INT ratio, a passer rating in the mid-90s, and on pace for 4000+ YDs and 30+ TDs, I'd have spent time delicately crafting the ways in which I was going to tell Pen to suck it every day and looking forward to the 7-0 or 6-1 Bears just rolling their way through the league.

But here we are, and despite his numbers he's been ass a good 40% of the time he's been on the field this year. This is what my work hath wrought. I hate everything.

If it's any comfort, I doubt your work had any effect on any of this whatsoever.

you don't say

[CubFaninHydePark]

3-13, or bust.  The strategy from here on out needs to be "maximize the draft pick value."

If the Bears forfeited their remaining games because their entire defense were euthanized, I'd also be okay with that.

And as far as Jay's stats, the TD-INT ratio doesn't account for his league leading 4 fumbles (all of which were lost). 

[InternetApex]

If the Bears forfeited their remaining games because their entire defense were euthanized, I'd also be okay with that.

I've managed to tune out pretty much everything you've said for awhile, but I read this part and agreed with it 100%.