Bears 2015 Draft Discussion

[InternetApex]

Notwithstanding that this thread is about the draft, in my opinion what we are seeing is not a personnel issue but an attitude issue.  No one could watch Sunday night's game without concluding that this is a group that simply quit on its coach, or on each other.  Come to think about it, I guess that is a personnel issue.

I don't understand how that happens in the era of non-guaranteed contracts. It really only takes one or two guys giving poor effort for it to show up on an entire unit. One guy who looks and sounds like he's over it is Briggs. I hate that I'm going to remember him the way he is now every bit as much as I'll remember how he was in 2005-12. I expect he'll retire after this year and show up every so often to trash the Bears like his good buddy Urlacher does.

Fuck this entire franchise, it's fans, it's history, it's shitty toilet bowl stadium, it's litter box of a playing surface. Fuck the whole idea of it.

[SKO]

Notwithstanding that this thread is about the draft, in my opinion what we are seeing is not a personnel issue but an attitude issue.  No one could watch Sunday night's game without concluding that this is a group that simply quit on its coach, or on each other.  Come to think about it, I guess that is a personnel issue.

I don't understand how that happens in the era of non-guaranteed contracts. It really only takes one or two guys giving poor effort for it to show up on an entire unit. One guy who looks and sounds like he's over it is Briggs. I hate that I'm going to remember him the way he is now every bit as much as I'll remember how he was in 2005-12. I expect he'll retire after this year and show up every so often to trash the Bears like his good buddy Urlacher does.

Fuck this entire franchise, it's fans, it's history, it's shitty toilet bowl stadium, it's litter box of a playing surface. Fuck the whole idea of it.

It sounds like Briggs, Peppers, Tillman, etc. never bought in at all on Tucker and Trestman and in the case of Briggs and Peppers especially the results been a lot of less than stellar effort. Obviously they're probably right about Tucker being bad at his job, but you still can't quit like that.

[SKO]

The only thing I really got from that game is that, loathe as I am to admit it, the Teddy Bridgewater critics were probably right. Kid kinda sucks.

[Eli]

The only thing I really got from that game is that, loathe as I am to admit it, the Teddy Bridgewater critics were probably right. Kid kinda sucks.

I feel like college football has produced about 2 good quarterbacks in the last 5 years.

[CBStew]

The only thing I really got from that game is that, loathe as I am to admit it, the Teddy Bridgewater critics were probably right. Kid kinda sucks.

I feel like college football has produced about 2 good quarterbacks in the last 5 years.

Who?

[World's #1 Astros Fan]

The only thing I really got from that game is that, loathe as I am to admit it, the Teddy Bridgewater critics were probably right. Kid kinda sucks.

I feel like college football has produced about 2 good quarterbacks in the last 5 years.

Who?

Andrew Luck and...?

[ChuckD]

The only thing I really got from that game is that, loathe as I am to admit it, the Teddy Bridgewater critics were probably right. Kid kinda sucks.

I feel like college football has produced about 2 good quarterbacks in the last 5 years.

Who?

Andrew Luck and...?

Wilson, Newton, Kaepernick, Dalton, Tebow, McCoy

[Eli]

The only thing I really got from that game is that, loathe as I am to admit it, the Teddy Bridgewater critics were probably right. Kid kinda sucks.

I feel like college football has produced about 2 good quarterbacks in the last 5 years.

Who?

Andrew Luck and...?

Wilson.

[SKO]

The only thing I really got from that game is that, loathe as I am to admit it, the Teddy Bridgewater critics were probably right. Kid kinda sucks.

I feel like college football has produced about 2 good quarterbacks in the last 5 years.

Who?

Andrew Luck and...?

Wilson.

Yeah. I think Newton is really good, too, but he's absolutely fucked right now behind an offensive line that's sub replacement-level, lack of weapons, no runningbacks, and the tutelage of Mike fucking Shula, but I'd agree that Luck, Newton, and Wilson are about it as far as true franchise caliber guys. Even Wilson's struggled a bit this year with the Seahawks needing him to do more than just hand off 25 times and throw play action passes.

[Eli]

The only thing I really got from that game is that, loathe as I am to admit it, the Teddy Bridgewater critics were probably right. Kid kinda sucks.

I feel like college football has produced about 2 good quarterbacks in the last 5 years.

Who?

Andrew Luck and...?

Wilson.

Yeah. I think Newton is really good, too, but he's absolutely fucked right now behind an offensive line that's sub replacement-level, lack of weapons, no runningbacks, and the tutelage of Mike fucking Shula, but I'd agree that Luck, Newton, and Wilson are about it as far as true franchise caliber guys. Even Wilson's struggled a bit this year with the Seahawks needing him to do more than just hand off 25 times and throw play action passes.

I guess Kaepernick has been OK, though they aren't asking him to do very much this year. But overall, it just seems like even if you had the magical ability to draft with perfect hindsight, you wouldn't necessarily be able to get a franchise QB each year. Which is why I can't really get behind the "launch Cutler" bandwagon, as frustrating as he can be.

[SKO]

The only thing I really got from that game is that, loathe as I am to admit it, the Teddy Bridgewater critics were probably right. Kid kinda sucks.

I feel like college football has produced about 2 good quarterbacks in the last 5 years.

Who?

Andrew Luck and...?

Wilson.

Yeah. I think Newton is really good, too, but he's absolutely fucked right now behind an offensive line that's sub replacement-level, lack of weapons, no runningbacks, and the tutelage of Mike fucking Shula, but I'd agree that Luck, Newton, and Wilson are about it as far as true franchise caliber guys. Even Wilson's struggled a bit this year with the Seahawks needing him to do more than just hand off 25 times and throw play action passes.

I guess Kaepernick has been OK, though they aren't asking him to do very much this year. But overall, it just seems like even if you had the magical ability to draft with perfect hindsight, you wouldn't necessarily be able to get a franchise QB each year. Which is why I can't really get behind the "launch Cutler" bandwagon, as frustrating as he can be.

I think basically the point for Bears fans is that there is no hope, we will never find one of those quarterbacks like Rodgers who just guarantees you a playoff spot and makes it look effortless, and that in accepting that this world is just a horrifying crucible that prepares us for the eternal damnation to come we can embrace the madness and find comfort in utter insanity in the best Lovecraftian fashion.

Or, alternately, go Cubs.

[Slaky]

The only thing I really got from that game is that, loathe as I am to admit it, the Teddy Bridgewater critics were probably right. Kid kinda sucks.

I feel like college football has produced about 2 good quarterbacks in the last 5 years.

Who?

Andrew Luck and...?

Wilson.

Yeah. I think Newton is really good, too, but he's absolutely fucked right now behind an offensive line that's sub replacement-level, lack of weapons, no runningbacks, and the tutelage of Mike fucking Shula, but I'd agree that Luck, Newton, and Wilson are about it as far as true franchise caliber guys. Even Wilson's struggled a bit this year with the Seahawks needing him to do more than just hand off 25 times and throw play action passes.

I guess Kaepernick has been OK, though they aren't asking him to do very much this year. But overall, it just seems like even if you had the magical ability to draft with perfect hindsight, you wouldn't necessarily be able to get a franchise QB each year. Which is why I can't really get behind the "launch Cutler" bandwagon, as frustrating as he can be.

I think basically the point for Bears fans is that there is no hope, we will never find one of those quarterbacks like Rodgers who just guarantees you a playoff spot and makes it look effortless, and that in accepting that this world is just a horrifying crucible that prepares us for the eternal damnation to come we can embrace the madness and find comfort in utter insanity in the best Lovecraftian fashion.

Or, alternately, go Cubs.

There's Rodgers, Brady, Manning. Right? Beyond them it's a wasteland of hit and miss (mostly miss) kind of stuff. Yeah there are tiers and people love to debate over the Flaccos and the Cutlers and the Newtons, etc.

But it's those three, then it's a lot of guys who can get it done with help, then it's garbage?

I just think what those top three guys have done for such a long time puts them a cut above. And lamenting the fact that your team doesn't have one seems pretty pointless considering 29 teams don't have one.

[InternetApex]

The only thing I really got from that game is that, loathe as I am to admit it, the Teddy Bridgewater critics were probably right. Kid kinda sucks.

I feel like college football has produced about 2 good quarterbacks in the last 5 years.

Who?

Andrew Luck and...?

Wilson.

Yeah. I think Newton is really good, too, but he's absolutely fucked right now behind an offensive line that's sub replacement-level, lack of weapons, no runningbacks, and the tutelage of Mike fucking Shula, but I'd agree that Luck, Newton, and Wilson are about it as far as true franchise caliber guys. Even Wilson's struggled a bit this year with the Seahawks needing him to do more than just hand off 25 times and throw play action passes.

I guess Kaepernick has been OK, though they aren't asking him to do very much this year. But overall, it just seems like even if you had the magical ability to draft with perfect hindsight, you wouldn't necessarily be able to get a franchise QB each year. Which is why I can't really get behind the "launch Cutler" bandwagon, as frustrating as he can be.

I think basically the point for Bears fans is that there is no hope, we will never find one of those quarterbacks like Rodgers who just guarantees you a playoff spot and makes it look effortless, and that in accepting that this world is just a horrifying crucible that prepares us for the eternal damnation to come we can embrace the madness and find comfort in utter insanity in the best Lovecraftian fashion.

Or, alternately, go Cubs.

"In The Mountains of Madness" would work on film. They just have to find a way to bring those etchings to life and scare the living shit out of every man, woman and child on the planet. The problem, I guess is that we know exactly what the terrain looks like even in the most remote god awful parts of the world. So it's maybe too late. Fuck.

[Yeti]

The only thing I really got from that game is that, loathe as I am to admit it, the Teddy Bridgewater critics were probably right. Kid kinda sucks.

I feel like college football has produced about 2 good quarterbacks in the last 5 years.

Who?

Andrew Luck and...?

Wilson.

Yeah. I think Newton is really good, too, but he's absolutely fucked right now behind an offensive line that's sub replacement-level, lack of weapons, no runningbacks, and the tutelage of Mike fucking Shula, but I'd agree that Luck, Newton, and Wilson are about it as far as true franchise caliber guys. Even Wilson's struggled a bit this year with the Seahawks needing him to do more than just hand off 25 times and throw play action passes.

I guess Kaepernick has been OK, though they aren't asking him to do very much this year. But overall, it just seems like even if you had the magical ability to draft with perfect hindsight, you wouldn't necessarily be able to get a franchise QB each year. Which is why I can't really get behind the "launch Cutler" bandwagon, as frustrating as he can be.

I think basically the point for Bears fans is that there is no hope, we will never find one of those quarterbacks like Rodgers who just guarantees you a playoff spot and makes it look effortless, and that in accepting that this world is just a horrifying crucible that prepares us for the eternal damnation to come we can embrace the madness and find comfort in utter insanity in the best Lovecraftian fashion.

Or, alternately, go Cubs.

There's Rodgers, Brady, Manning. Right? Beyond them it's a wasteland of hit and miss (mostly miss) kind of stuff. Yeah there are tiers and people love to debate over the Flaccos and the Cutlers and the Newtons, etc.

But it's those three, then it's a lot of guys who can get it done with help, then it's garbage?

I just think what those top three guys have done for such a long time puts them a cut above. And lamenting the fact that your team doesn't have one seems pretty pointless considering 29 teams don't have one.

I was tempted to add Breesus to that (and a case can be made), but under those 3, when they were the full-time starter (and uninjured), they've missed a total of 3 playoffs in 33 collective years and Brees has missed just as many (in his NO time)

[SKO]

The only thing I really got from that game is that, loathe as I am to admit it, the Teddy Bridgewater critics were probably right. Kid kinda sucks.

I feel like college football has produced about 2 good quarterbacks in the last 5 years.

Who?

Andrew Luck and...?

Wilson.

Yeah. I think Newton is really good, too, but he's absolutely fucked right now behind an offensive line that's sub replacement-level, lack of weapons, no runningbacks, and the tutelage of Mike fucking Shula, but I'd agree that Luck, Newton, and Wilson are about it as far as true franchise caliber guys. Even Wilson's struggled a bit this year with the Seahawks needing him to do more than just hand off 25 times and throw play action passes.

I guess Kaepernick has been OK, though they aren't asking him to do very much this year. But overall, it just seems like even if you had the magical ability to draft with perfect hindsight, you wouldn't necessarily be able to get a franchise QB each year. Which is why I can't really get behind the "launch Cutler" bandwagon, as frustrating as he can be.

I think basically the point for Bears fans is that there is no hope, we will never find one of those quarterbacks like Rodgers who just guarantees you a playoff spot and makes it look effortless, and that in accepting that this world is just a horrifying crucible that prepares us for the eternal damnation to come we can embrace the madness and find comfort in utter insanity in the best Lovecraftian fashion.

Or, alternately, go Cubs.

There's Rodgers, Brady, Manning. Right? Beyond them it's a wasteland of hit and miss (mostly miss) kind of stuff. Yeah there are tiers and people love to debate over the Flaccos and the Cutlers and the Newtons, etc.

But it's those three, then it's a lot of guys who can get it done with help, then it's garbage?

I just think what those top three guys have done for such a long time puts them a cut above. And lamenting the fact that your team doesn't have one seems pretty pointless considering 29 teams don't have one.

The argument for getting rid of Cutler, when made intelligently, isn't so much that you like your odds of finding someone better so much as you like your odds of finding someone who can provide similar production on one of those wonderful rookie contracts where you have 3-4 years of building a better team around said QB while he makes basically nothing before you have to pay him and end up in the same shitty tier as everyone else paying those 6-14 quarterbacks the same amount as the 1-5 guys. But even with that the odds of finding even a replacement Cutler are not very good.