Bears 2015 Draft Discussion

[SKO]

The only thing I really got from that game is that, loathe as I am to admit it, the Teddy Bridgewater critics were probably right. Kid kinda sucks.

I feel like college football has produced about 2 good quarterbacks in the last 5 years.

Who?

Andrew Luck and...?

Wilson.

Yeah. I think Newton is really good, too, but he's absolutely fucked right now behind an offensive line that's sub replacement-level, lack of weapons, no runningbacks, and the tutelage of Mike fucking Shula, but I'd agree that Luck, Newton, and Wilson are about it as far as true franchise caliber guys. Even Wilson's struggled a bit this year with the Seahawks needing him to do more than just hand off 25 times and throw play action passes.

I guess Kaepernick has been OK, though they aren't asking him to do very much this year. But overall, it just seems like even if you had the magical ability to draft with perfect hindsight, you wouldn't necessarily be able to get a franchise QB each year. Which is why I can't really get behind the "launch Cutler" bandwagon, as frustrating as he can be.

I think basically the point for Bears fans is that there is no hope, we will never find one of those quarterbacks like Rodgers who just guarantees you a playoff spot and makes it look effortless, and that in accepting that this world is just a horrifying crucible that prepares us for the eternal damnation to come we can embrace the madness and find comfort in utter insanity in the best Lovecraftian fashion.

Or, alternately, go Cubs.

There's Rodgers, Brady, Manning. Right? Beyond them it's a wasteland of hit and miss (mostly miss) kind of stuff. Yeah there are tiers and people love to debate over the Flaccos and the Cutlers and the Newtons, etc.

But it's those three, then it's a lot of guys who can get it done with help, then it's garbage?

I just think what those top three guys have done for such a long time puts them a cut above. And lamenting the fact that your team doesn't have one seems pretty pointless considering 29 teams don't have one.

I was tempted to add Breesus to that (and a case can be made), but under those 3, when they were the full-time starter (and uninjured), they've missed a total of 3 playoffs in 33 collective years and Brees has missed just as many (in his NO time)

Yeah. Breesus is a rich man's Cutler. You give him ideal conditions and he will do wonderful things, but let his protection start to slip and his run game stumble and you get lots of awful, awful INTs. Breesus has at least 7 years where he's thrown 15 or more INTs, whereas Brady's never gone over 14, Rodgers career high is 13 (in his first year starting, he's had ONE double-digit INT season since then, and it was only 11), and Peyton has only had one 15 or more INT season in his last ten.

Even in his better years he had the occasional clunker against the Browns or the Mack Saul-led Cardinals. At his best he's definitely close to that Rodgers-Manning-Brady zone but he's far more prone to mistakes and collapses than those guys.

[SKO]

Before Pen protests Roethlisberger's also really fucking good and has pretty much singlehandedly kept the Steelers from being basement dwellers the last few years, but fuck him.

[PenFoe]

Before Pen protests Roethlisberger's also really fucking good and has pretty much singlehandedly kept the Steelers from being basement dwellers the last few years, but fuck him.

He's not on the list with Rogers, Brady and Manning, but the second someone tries to extend that list to include Brees, you have to include Ben.

#WarmTake

[InternetApex]

Before Pen protests Roethlisberger's also really fucking good and has pretty much singlehandedly kept the Steelers from being basement dwellers the last few years, but fuck him.

He's not on the list with Rogers, Brady and Manning, but the second someone tries to extend that list to include Brees, you have to include Ben.

#WarmTake

Tried to hijack the thread toward Cthulu porn but have been denied apparently. And we're right fucking here again.

[Shooter]

Before Pen protests Roethlisberger's also really fucking good and has pretty much singlehandedly kept the Steelers from being basement dwellers the last few years, but fuck him.

He's not on the list with Rogers, Brady and Manning, but the second someone tries to extend that list to include Brees, you have to include Ben.

#WarmTake

Luck has got to be pretty close to the Brees-Roethlisberger group, no?

[InternetApex]

Before Pen protests Roethlisberger's also really fucking good and has pretty much singlehandedly kept the Steelers from being basement dwellers the last few years, but fuck him.

He's not on the list with Rogers, Brady and Manning, but the second someone tries to extend that list to include Brees, you have to include Ben.

#WarmTake

Luck has got to be pretty close to the Brees-Roethlisberger group, no?

Depends. He hasn't got the body of work to back it up yet. But in my opinion he's headed that direction with or without a Super Bowl ring.

[SKO]

Before Pen protests Roethlisberger's also really fucking good and has pretty much singlehandedly kept the Steelers from being basement dwellers the last few years, but fuck him.

He's not on the list with Rogers, Brady and Manning, but the second someone tries to extend that list to include Brees, you have to include Ben.

#WarmTake

Luck has got to be pretty close to the Brees-Roethlisberger group, no?

Depends. He hasn't got the body of work to back it up yet. But in my opinion he's headed that direction with or without a Super Bowl ring.

Once Pep Hamilton figured out that his best strategy was to try using Luck more than Trent Richardson he really took off. Shocking.

[Chuck to Chuck]

So, about 15th and stuck in NFL hell?

[Slaky]

So, about 15th and stuck in NFL hell?

A friend and I used to talk about this a lot a long time ago but the argument was that finishing with 6-8 wins every year - even 9 wins and getting blasted in the first round - is far worse than finishing 3-13.

[InternetApex]

So, about 15th and stuck in NFL hell?

A friend and I used to talk about this a lot a long time ago but the argument was that finishing with 6-8 wins every year - even 9 wins and getting blasted in the first round - is far worse than finishing 3-13.

This assumes that you have a group capable of pushing the right buttons on draft day. You could end up with a top 5 pick every year like the Jags and Raiders and still continue to be the Jags and Raiders. That the Bears continue to be the Bears has far less to do with where they're picking than who they're picking. I don't know how long (how many more tears) until we're out from under Angelo's atrocious drafts. We need more time to evaluate most of Emery's, though I think the bill for 2012 is just about due.

Here's my real concern: The defense was supposed to make a quantum leap this year based upon improvements to the D-Line and that's not apparent. If it's performance can be classified as such based upon the near handful of games that weren't partial-birth abortions, then so be it. But the improvement on the D-Line in those games has been led by guys like Allen, Ratliff and Paea - older guys who should not be counted on much past 2015. What else does this defense have going for it? Kyle Fuller? Ok. He seems competent enough. But they are about to be in the exact same position with this unit every year unless a lot more of those picks are hits.

And by the way, the offensive line has been noticeably weaker this year. Bushrod is getting turnstyled, the right tackle position is a mystery. Slauson can't stay healthy. Garza is 50 years old.

FUCK! Draft 1st or draft 15th. You need to hit up and down the board no matter what. They are not a single difference-maker on either side of the ball away from being a Super Bowl contender. So they might as well go ahead and drop turds in as many punch bowls as they can - starting most importantly with the fucking Lions on Thursday.

Because it doesn't fucking matter anymore.  

[Oleg]

I'm just going to root for them to win every game. Fuck everything else.

[PenFoe]

I'm just going to root for them to win every game. Fuck everything else.

I don't know if 10-6 makes it, but it's worth a shot.

[SKO]

I'm just going to root for them to win every game. Fuck everything else.

Pretty much.  A late season run where the offense looks like it's 2013 self and scores a lot of points would be nice, giving us all a meager amount of false hope that with another draft/free agency period to load up on defense they could field a more complete team in 2015. I don't think there's a great option anywhere we look.

[Slaky]

So, about 15th and stuck in NFL hell?

A friend and I used to talk about this a lot a long time ago but the argument was that finishing with 6-8 wins every year - even 9 wins and getting blasted in the first round - is far worse than finishing 3-13.

This assumes that you have a group capable of pushing the right buttons on draft day. You could end up with a top 5 pick every year like the Jags and Raiders and still continue to be the Jags and Raiders. That the Bears continue to be the Bears has far less to do with where they're picking than who they're picking. I don't know how long (how many more tears) until we're out from under Angelo's atrocious drafts. We need more time to evaluate most of Emery's, though I think the bill for 2012 is just about due.

Here's my real concern: The defense was supposed to make a quantum leap this year based upon improvements to the D-Line and that's not apparent. If it's performance can be classified as such based upon the near handful of games that weren't partial-birth abortions, then so be it. But the improvement on the D-Line in those games has been led by guys like Allen, Ratliff and Paea - older guys who should not be counted on much past 2015. What else does this defense have going for it? Kyle Fuller? Ok. He seems competent enough. But they are about to be in the exact same position with this unit every year unless a lot more of those picks are hits.

And by the way, the offensive line has been noticeably weaker this year. Bushrod is getting turnstyled, the right tackle position is a mystery. Slauson can't stay healthy. Garza is 50 years old.

FUCK! Draft 1st or draft 15th. You need to hit up and down the board no matter what. They are not a single difference-maker on either side of the ball away from being a Super Bowl contender. So they might as well go ahead and drop turds in as many punch bowls as they can - starting most importantly with the fucking Lions on Thursday.

Because it doesn't fucking matter anymore.  

I wish I had more than a morbid curiosity in the Bears to think this much about them. They basically exist as a foil to the Packers never ending excellence. Exactly the way we always wanted it to be.

[SKO]

Kevin Seifert of ESPN tweeted that Jay's passes traveled an average of 3.85 yards in the air on Sunday and I don't really have anything to say about that other than fuck you, Trestman