The Ryan Pace Era... BEGINS!!!

[CBStew]

Hell, arguably the only thing that can save them is falling ass backwards into an actual star quarterback. I'm not sure there even is one at the top of next year's draft but they might as well tank and take whatever is there.

I feel like there's a good quarterback drafted about once every six years, so probably not.

There is one out here.  But the Bears never look any further west than Iowa when it comes to the draft.
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/nfl-draft-scout/25309222/cal-qb-jared-goff-dazzles-vs-texas-makes-case-for-no-1-overall

They looked west for Caleb Hanie, who proceeded to stomp on our hopes and dreams and then piss on them like some sort of campfire.

Colorado State.  (I guess that is west of Chicago) I will agree that there are currently 3 players from Oregon and one from Oregon State, and one from Idaho State.  But California is the most populous state in the Union and there isn't even a player from USC or (shudder) Stanfoo.

[Chuck to Chuck]

Jared Allen for a 6th rounder.
Jon Bostic for a 6th rounder.
Shane Vereen for nothing.

More moves coming.

#FullTheo

[Brownie]

Jared Allen for a 6th rounder.
Jon Bostic for a 6th rounder.
Shane Vereen for nothing.

More moves coming.

#FullTheo

The #FullTheo comes when the Cowboys are Herschel'd with Forte, and then the Jets relieve themselves of being booed on draft day to take Cutler and Jeffrey and get the band back together.

[SKO]

Jared Allen for a 6th rounder.
Jon Bostic for a 6th rounder.
Shane Vereen for nothing.

More moves coming.

#FullTheo

The #FullTheo comes when the Cowboys are Herschel'd with Forte, and then the Jets relieve themselves of being booed on draft day to take Cutler and Jeffrey and get the band back together.

That. Have to do more than dump bad players you weren't even using to be Theo. Hell, if cutting 4th round safeties made you Theo Epstein,  Jerry Angelo would have won executive of the year annually.

[Saul Goodman]

Jared Allen for a 6th rounder.
Jon Bostic for a 6th rounder.
Shane Vereen for nothing.

More moves coming.

#FullTheo

Not even Theo could waive other teams' players. I'm impressed.

[Quality Start Machine]

I know absolutely nothing about college football, so enlighten me...

If the Bears are going to tank, is there anybody worth tanking for?

[Slaky]

Jared Allen for a 6th rounder.
Jon Bostic for a 6th rounder.
Shane Vereen for nothing.

More moves coming.

#FullTheo

The #FullTheo comes when the Cowboys are Herschel'd with Forte, and then the Jets relieve themselves of being booed on draft day to take Cutler and Jeffrey and get the band back together.

That. Have to do more than dump bad players you weren't even using to be Theo. Hell, if cutting 4th round safeties made you Theo Epstein,  Jerry Angelo would have won executive of the year annually.

Also there just aren't that many guys on the street you can plug in and have work out. Football is weird.

The only thing you can do is bottom out and really, really lean on your scouting dept and be ready to spend on top free agents when the timing is finally right. They'll also have to keep the front office stable - so whatever Pace is trying to do - he needs time to do it. Like, years. Not two.

[SKO]

I know absolutely nothing about college football, so enlighten me...

If the Bears are going to tank, is there anybody worth tanking for?

The Cal quarterback, Jared Goff, looks pretty damn good, but who knows. Have to at least try. Jay could come back and throw 30 touchdowns and even I would still be ready to move on. This franchise just needs new blood.

[SKO]

Jared Allen for a 6th rounder.
Jon Bostic for a 6th rounder.
Shane Vereen for nothing.

More moves coming.

#FullTheo

The #FullTheo comes when the Cowboys are Herschel'd with Forte, and then the Jets relieve themselves of being booed on draft day to take Cutler and Jeffrey and get the band back together.

That. Have to do more than dump bad players you weren't even using to be Theo. Hell, if cutting 4th round safeties made you Theo Epstein,  Jerry Angelo would have won executive of the year annually.

Also there just aren't that many guys on the street you can plug in and have work out. Football is weird.

The only thing you can do is bottom out and really, really lean on your scouting dept and be ready to spend on top free agents when the timing is finally right. They'll also have to keep the front office stable - so whatever Pace is trying to do - he needs time to do it. Like, years. Not two.

Pretty much that. I mean trying to go Full Theo as much as possible is great, and clearing out shitty veterans and failed Emery picks is not a bad thing, but he's got far more limited resources than Theo ever had to deal with.

There's no international free agent market in football, young players are almost never traded, there's a way smaller talent pool in the draft,  and free agency is often even more fruitless in the NFL than it is in baseball.

Hopefully Pace can move Forte and Bennett and get maybe an extra couple of fourth round picks or better, but either way this is going to be a slow process with very little margin for error. I really doubt John Fox is around when the Bears field a good team again. Pace might be.

[Eli]

I know absolutely nothing about college football, so enlighten me...

If the Bears are going to tank, is there anybody worth tanking for?

The Cal quarterback, Jared Goff, looks pretty damn good, but who knows. Have to at least try. Jay could come back and throw 30 touchdowns and even I would still be ready to move on. This franchise just needs new blood.

Yeah, but what are the odds that Cal could ever produce a good NFL quarterback, especially one who has to play most of his games up north?

[Slaky]

I know absolutely nothing about college football, so enlighten me...

If the Bears are going to tank, is there anybody worth tanking for?

The Cal quarterback, Jared Goff, looks pretty damn good, but who knows. Have to at least try. Jay could come back and throw 30 touchdowns and even I would still be ready to move on. This franchise just needs new blood.

Yeah, but what are the odds that Cal could ever produce a good NFL quarterback, especially one who has to play most of his games up north?

Imagine the Bears picking this guy up and leaning on that narrative. Oh, how humiliating.

[ChuckD]

I know absolutely nothing about college football, so enlighten me...

If the Bears are going to tank, is there anybody worth tanking for?

The Cal quarterback, Jared Goff, looks pretty damn good, but who knows. Have to at least try. Jay could come back and throw 30 touchdowns and even I would still be ready to move on. This franchise just needs new blood.

Yeah, but what are the odds that Cal could ever produce a good NFL quarterback, especially one who has to play most of his games up north?

NFL has been around 96 years. Figure there's a Cal QB graduating every two years. So that's ~48 QB's graduated from the team.

Pro-Football-Reference shows 14 QBs from Cal played in the NFL.

Only 6 accumulated 16+ career GS in the NFL and 3-4 of them look like they were somewhere between average and garbage.

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Rk                                       Pos   G  GS     QBrec  Cmp   Att  Cmp%    Yds  TD   TD% Int  Int% Lng  Y/A  AY/A  Y/C    Y/G  Rate    QBR   Sk  Yds  NY/A  ANY/A  Sk% 4QC GWD
1            Aaron Rodgers College Stats  QB 113 106   73-33-0 2353  3566  66.0  29349 236   6.6  57   1.6  93  8.2   8.8 12.5  259.7 106.8  693.2  263 1626  7.24   7.80  6.9   8  12
2             Craig Morton College Stats  QB 207 144   81-62-1 2053  3786  54.2  27908 183   4.8 187   4.9  95  7.4   6.1 13.6  134.8  73.5         373 2800  6.04   4.89  9.0  12  22
3                 Joe Kapp College Stats  QB  51  48   24-21-3  449   918  48.9   5911  40   4.4  64   7.0  85  6.4   4.2 13.2  115.9  55.1          55  429  5.63   3.50  5.7   5   5
4          Vince Ferragamo College Stats  QB  75  53   27-26-0  902  1615  55.9  11336  76   4.7  91   5.6  85  7.0   5.4 12.6  151.1  70.1          94  770  6.18   4.68  5.5   6   6
5         Steve Bartkowski College Stats  QB 129 127   59-68-0 1932  3456  55.9  24124 156   4.5 144   4.2  86  7.0   6.0 12.5  187.0  75.4         356 2956  5.55   4.67  9.3  19  22
6              Kyle Boller College Stats  QB  67  47   20-27-0  861  1519  56.7   8931  48   3.2  54   3.6  77  5.9   4.9 10.4  133.3  69.5 128.67  123  802  4.95   4.06  7.5   4   6

So, like ... 5%?

[Quality Start Machine]

I know absolutely nothing about college football, so enlighten me...

If the Bears are going to tank, is there anybody worth tanking for?

The Cal quarterback, Jared Goff, looks pretty damn good, but who knows. Have to at least try. Jay could come back and throw 30 touchdowns and even I would still be ready to move on. This franchise just needs new blood.

Yeah, but what are the odds that Cal could ever produce a good NFL quarterback, especially one who has to play most of his games up north?

NFL has been around 96 years. Figure there's a Cal QB graduating every two years. So that's ~48 QB's graduated from the team.

Pro-Football-Reference shows 14 QBs from Cal played in the NFL.

Only 6 accumulated 16+ career GS in the NFL and 3-4 of them look like they were somewhere between average and garbage.

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Rk                                       Pos   G  GS     QBrec  Cmp   Att  Cmp%    Yds  TD   TD% Int  Int% Lng  Y/A  AY/A  Y/C    Y/G  Rate    QBR   Sk  Yds  NY/A  ANY/A  Sk% 4QC GWD
1            Aaron Rodgers College Stats  QB 113 106   73-33-0 2353  3566  66.0  29349 236   6.6  57   1.6  93  8.2   8.8 12.5  259.7 106.8  693.2  263 1626  7.24   7.80  6.9   8  12
2             Craig Morton College Stats  QB 207 144   81-62-1 2053  3786  54.2  27908 183   4.8 187   4.9  95  7.4   6.1 13.6  134.8  73.5         373 2800  6.04   4.89  9.0  12  22
3                 Joe Kapp College Stats  QB  51  48   24-21-3  449   918  48.9   5911  40   4.4  64   7.0  85  6.4   4.2 13.2  115.9  55.1          55  429  5.63   3.50  5.7   5   5
4          Vince Ferragamo College Stats  QB  75  53   27-26-0  902  1615  55.9  11336  76   4.7  91   5.6  85  7.0   5.4 12.6  151.1  70.1          94  770  6.18   4.68  5.5   6   6
5         Steve Bartkowski College Stats  QB 129 127   59-68-0 1932  3456  55.9  24124 156   4.5 144   4.2  86  7.0   6.0 12.5  187.0  75.4         356 2956  5.55   4.67  9.3  19  22
6              Kyle Boller College Stats  QB  67  47   20-27-0  861  1519  56.7   8931  48   3.2  54   3.6  77  5.9   4.9 10.4  133.3  69.5 128.67  123  802  4.95   4.06  7.5   4   6

So, like ... 5%?

Remember when guys had nicknames like "Injun Joe" Kapp? Those were the days...

[SKO]

I know absolutely nothing about college football, so enlighten me...

If the Bears are going to tank, is there anybody worth tanking for?

The Cal quarterback, Jared Goff, looks pretty damn good, but who knows. Have to at least try. Jay could come back and throw 30 touchdowns and even I would still be ready to move on. This franchise just needs new blood.

Yeah, but what are the odds that Cal could ever produce a good NFL quarterback, especially one who has to play most of his games up north?

NFL has been around 96 years. Figure there's a Cal QB graduating every two years. So that's ~48 QB's graduated from the team.

Pro-Football-Reference shows 14 QBs from Cal played in the NFL.

Only 6 accumulated 16+ career GS in the NFL and 3-4 of them look like they were somewhere between average and garbage.

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Rk                                       Pos   G  GS     QBrec  Cmp   Att  Cmp%    Yds  TD   TD% Int  Int% Lng  Y/A  AY/A  Y/C    Y/G  Rate    QBR   Sk  Yds  NY/A  ANY/A  Sk% 4QC GWD
1            Aaron Rodgers College Stats  QB 113 106   73-33-0 2353  3566  66.0  29349 236   6.6  57   1.6  93  8.2   8.8 12.5  259.7 106.8  693.2  263 1626  7.24   7.80  6.9   8  12
2             Craig Morton College Stats  QB 207 144   81-62-1 2053  3786  54.2  27908 183   4.8 187   4.9  95  7.4   6.1 13.6  134.8  73.5         373 2800  6.04   4.89  9.0  12  22
3                 Joe Kapp College Stats  QB  51  48   24-21-3  449   918  48.9   5911  40   4.4  64   7.0  85  6.4   4.2 13.2  115.9  55.1          55  429  5.63   3.50  5.7   5   5
4          Vince Ferragamo College Stats  QB  75  53   27-26-0  902  1615  55.9  11336  76   4.7  91   5.6  85  7.0   5.4 12.6  151.1  70.1          94  770  6.18   4.68  5.5   6   6
5         Steve Bartkowski College Stats  QB 129 127   59-68-0 1932  3456  55.9  24124 156   4.5 144   4.2  86  7.0   6.0 12.5  187.0  75.4         356 2956  5.55   4.67  9.3  19  22
6              Kyle Boller College Stats  QB  67  47   20-27-0  861  1519  56.7   8931  48   3.2  54   3.6  77  5.9   4.9 10.4  133.3  69.5 128.67  123  802  4.95   4.06  7.5   4   6

So, like ... 5%?

Kyle Boller was terrible for his first three years in college, and then his senior year he threw a bunch of touchdowns (on 52% completions if I remember correctly) and Brian Billick took him in the first round because he was able to throw the ball 50 yards through the uprights from his knees. Shockingly he was a terrible, horribly inaccurate pro quarterback.

Boller became the last in a long line of turds that Jeff Tedford polished into decent college quarterbacks (other students of his included David Carr, Joey Harrington, Akili Smith, and Trent Dilfer), who then all got drafted in the first round and failed in the NFL. Those failures led to people labeling Aaron Rodgers another "Tedford QB" who was sure to fail in the NFL like his predecessors, and the buzz dropped him behind Alex Smith in the 2005 QB draft rankings, and into the waiting arms of the Green Bay Packers with the 24th overall pick.

Fuck you, Kyle Boller.

[ChuckD]

David Carr

I never understood this. He coached Carr for his freshman year before boning out to Oregon, but that makes Carr a "Tedford QB?"