2015 Cubs Offseason: Building a Winner Around David Ross

[SKO]

The Braves can fuck right off with their Soler for Miller talk, by God.

If the Cubs decide to move Soler, it's going to be for a fuckload more than Miller.

Miller's worth maybe Coghlan/Wood and a warm body from the system, or two mid-level prospects.

For once in my life I wish one of us actually could get a GM's secretary on the phone because I want to hear the laughter from the Braves GM if you called and offered them Chris Coghlan and Travis Wood for Shelby Miller.

You should have to call into The Score to propose this trade offer, that's where it belongs.

Miller's a #3 on a contender. That's worth a starting OF and a #5 starter.

Chris Coghlan and Travis Wood are neither of those things, which is beside the point, which is that there's no reason on earth why a rebuilding team like the Braves would trade a young, quality starting pitcher with multiple years of control left for a 31 year old greasey chested malcontent or a 29 year old long reliever (both of whom are free agents after this season).

And also, no, just no.

For the same reason the Cubs kept getting the Scott Feldmans of the world - they become pieces that contenders will use to plug holes for the stretch run and will be happy to give up prospects for. You turn one Kyle Hendricks-level pitcher into 3-4 prospects at about the same level you'd get 2 for in a straight trade. The impending free agency makes them more attractive as trade pieces at mid-season.

At no point did the Cubs give up a good, young, controllable asset in order to acquire a Scott Feldman type they could then flip to get more good, young, controllable assets. They picked those guys up for basically nothing in FA so there'd be no risk if they went tits up like Jose Veras. If Travis Wood puts up another 5.00+ ERA as a starter (as he's done in 40+ starts over the last two years) or Coghlan regresses back to 2010-2013 Coghlan now that he's over 30, they'd have gotten rid of Shelby Miller for nothing, which is why no sane person would ever do that.

Again, I don't think Miller's going to bring the lush haul you seem to think he will. Among the young cost-controlled starters out there, he's not exactly the top of the heap.

You were willing to trade a top 100 prospect outfielder and a likely top 100 prospect catcher for him yesterday. 

[Oleg]

The Braves can fuck right off with their Soler for Miller talk, by God.

If the Cubs decide to move Soler, it's going to be for a fuckload more than Miller.

Miller's worth maybe Coghlan/Wood and a warm body from the system, or two mid-level prospects.

For once in my life I wish one of us actually could get a GM's secretary on the phone because I want to hear the laughter from the Braves GM if you called and offered them Chris Coghlan and Travis Wood for Shelby Miller.

You should have to call into The Score to propose this trade offer, that's where it belongs.

Miller's a #3 on a contender. That's worth a starting OF and a #5 starter.

Chris Coghlan and Travis Wood are neither of those things, which is beside the point, which is that there's no reason on earth why a rebuilding team like the Braves would trade a young, quality starting pitcher with multiple years of control left for a 31 year old greasey chested malcontent or a 29 year old long reliever (both of whom are free agents after this season).

And also, no, just no.

For the same reason the Cubs kept getting the Scott Feldmans of the world - they become pieces that contenders will use to plug holes for the stretch run and will be happy to give up prospects for. You turn one Kyle Hendricks-level pitcher into 3-4 prospects at about the same level you'd get 2 for in a straight trade. The impending free agency makes them more attractive as trade pieces at mid-season.

At no point did the Cubs give up a good, young, controllable asset in order to acquire a Scott Feldman type they could then flip to get more good, young, controllable assets. They picked those guys up for basically nothing in FA so there'd be no risk if they went tits up like Jose Veras. If Travis Wood puts up another 5.00+ ERA as a starter (as he's done in 40+ starts over the last two years) or Coghlan regresses back to 2010-2013 Coghlan now that he's over 30, they'd have gotten rid of Shelby Miller for nothing, which is why no sane person would ever do that.

Again, I don't think Miller's going to bring the lush haul you seem to think he will. Among the young cost-controlled starters out there, he's not exactly the top of the heap.

You were willing to trade a top 100 prospect outfielder and a likely top 100 prospect catcher for him yesterday. 

Bottom line...if The Cubs are trading Soler, it better be for Carrasco or Ross, neither of whom are white.  Just for Apex's sake.

[Eli]

The Braves can fuck right off with their Soler for Miller talk, by God.

If the Cubs decide to move Soler, it's going to be for a fuckload more than Miller.

Miller's worth maybe Coghlan/Wood and a warm body from the system, or two mid-level prospects.

For once in my life I wish one of us actually could get a GM's secretary on the phone because I want to hear the laughter from the Braves GM if you called and offered them Chris Coghlan and Travis Wood for Shelby Miller.

You should have to call into The Score to propose this trade offer, that's where it belongs.

Miller's a #3 on a contender. That's worth a starting OF and a #5 starter.

Chris Coghlan and Travis Wood are neither of those things, which is beside the point, which is that there's no reason on earth why a rebuilding team like the Braves would trade a young, quality starting pitcher with multiple years of control left for a 31 year old greasey chested malcontent or a 29 year old long reliever (both of whom are free agents after this season).

And also, no, just no.

For the same reason the Cubs kept getting the Scott Feldmans of the world - they become pieces that contenders will use to plug holes for the stretch run and will be happy to give up prospects for. You turn one Kyle Hendricks-level pitcher into 3-4 prospects at about the same level you'd get 2 for in a straight trade. The impending free agency makes them more attractive as trade pieces at mid-season.

At no point did the Cubs give up a good, young, controllable asset in order to acquire a Scott Feldman type they could then flip to get more good, young, controllable assets. They picked those guys up for basically nothing in FA so there'd be no risk if they went tits up like Jose Veras. If Travis Wood puts up another 5.00+ ERA as a starter (as he's done in 40+ starts over the last two years) or Coghlan regresses back to 2010-2013 Coghlan now that he's over 30, they'd have gotten rid of Shelby Miller for nothing, which is why no sane person would ever do that.

Again, I don't think Miller's going to bring the lush haul you seem to think he will. Among the young cost-controlled starters out there, he's not exactly the top of the heap.

You were willing to trade a top 100 prospect outfielder and a likely top 100 prospect catcher for him yesterday. 

I think Fork is messing with you.

[SKO]

The Braves can fuck right off with their Soler for Miller talk, by God.

If the Cubs decide to move Soler, it's going to be for a fuckload more than Miller.

Miller's worth maybe Coghlan/Wood and a warm body from the system, or two mid-level prospects.

For once in my life I wish one of us actually could get a GM's secretary on the phone because I want to hear the laughter from the Braves GM if you called and offered them Chris Coghlan and Travis Wood for Shelby Miller.

You should have to call into The Score to propose this trade offer, that's where it belongs.

Miller's a #3 on a contender. That's worth a starting OF and a #5 starter.

Chris Coghlan and Travis Wood are neither of those things, which is beside the point, which is that there's no reason on earth why a rebuilding team like the Braves would trade a young, quality starting pitcher with multiple years of control left for a 31 year old greasey chested malcontent or a 29 year old long reliever (both of whom are free agents after this season).

And also, no, just no.

For the same reason the Cubs kept getting the Scott Feldmans of the world - they become pieces that contenders will use to plug holes for the stretch run and will be happy to give up prospects for. You turn one Kyle Hendricks-level pitcher into 3-4 prospects at about the same level you'd get 2 for in a straight trade. The impending free agency makes them more attractive as trade pieces at mid-season.

At no point did the Cubs give up a good, young, controllable asset in order to acquire a Scott Feldman type they could then flip to get more good, young, controllable assets. They picked those guys up for basically nothing in FA so there'd be no risk if they went tits up like Jose Veras. If Travis Wood puts up another 5.00+ ERA as a starter (as he's done in 40+ starts over the last two years) or Coghlan regresses back to 2010-2013 Coghlan now that he's over 30, they'd have gotten rid of Shelby Miller for nothing, which is why no sane person would ever do that.

Again, I don't think Miller's going to bring the lush haul you seem to think he will. Among the young cost-controlled starters out there, he's not exactly the top of the heap.

You were willing to trade a top 100 prospect outfielder and a likely top 100 prospect catcher for him yesterday. 

I think Fork is messing with you.

I think you give him far too much credit. But he will play it off as such when he finally realizes how dumb he sounds?

[Quality Start Machine]

The Braves can fuck right off with their Soler for Miller talk, by God.

If the Cubs decide to move Soler, it's going to be for a fuckload more than Miller.

Miller's worth maybe Coghlan/Wood and a warm body from the system, or two mid-level prospects.

For once in my life I wish one of us actually could get a GM's secretary on the phone because I want to hear the laughter from the Braves GM if you called and offered them Chris Coghlan and Travis Wood for Shelby Miller.

You should have to call into The Score to propose this trade offer, that's where it belongs.

Miller's a #3 on a contender. That's worth a starting OF and a #5 starter.

Chris Coghlan and Travis Wood are neither of those things, which is beside the point, which is that there's no reason on earth why a rebuilding team like the Braves would trade a young, quality starting pitcher with multiple years of control left for a 31 year old greasey chested malcontent or a 29 year old long reliever (both of whom are free agents after this season).

And also, no, just no.

For the same reason the Cubs kept getting the Scott Feldmans of the world - they become pieces that contenders will use to plug holes for the stretch run and will be happy to give up prospects for. You turn one Kyle Hendricks-level pitcher into 3-4 prospects at about the same level you'd get 2 for in a straight trade. The impending free agency makes them more attractive as trade pieces at mid-season.

At no point did the Cubs give up a good, young, controllable asset in order to acquire a Scott Feldman type they could then flip to get more good, young, controllable assets. They picked those guys up for basically nothing in FA so there'd be no risk if they went tits up like Jose Veras. If Travis Wood puts up another 5.00+ ERA as a starter (as he's done in 40+ starts over the last two years) or Coghlan regresses back to 2010-2013 Coghlan now that he's over 30, they'd have gotten rid of Shelby Miller for nothing, which is why no sane person would ever do that.

Again, I don't think Miller's going to bring the lush haul you seem to think he will. Among the young cost-controlled starters out there, he's not exactly the top of the heap.

You were willing to trade a top 100 prospect outfielder and a likely top 100 prospect catcher for him yesterday. 

Yeah, but both of them stacked on top of each other will be as good as Soler, which is where this discussion began. We've been over the sudden spike in Contreras' productivity, and McKinney's lack of power has been Murtonesque.

I also saw someone floating Miller for Baez, and I wouldn't make that trade either.

Let's pretend you're Beltless Theo. What do you give up for Shelby Miller right now?

[InternetApex]

The Braves can fuck right off with their Soler for Miller talk, by God.

If the Cubs decide to move Soler, it's going to be for a fuckload more than Miller.

Miller's worth maybe Coghlan/Wood and a warm body from the system, or two mid-level prospects.

For once in my life I wish one of us actually could get a GM's secretary on the phone because I want to hear the laughter from the Braves GM if you called and offered them Chris Coghlan and Travis Wood for Shelby Miller.

You should have to call into The Score to propose this trade offer, that's where it belongs.

Miller's a #3 on a contender. That's worth a starting OF and a #5 starter.

Chris Coghlan and Travis Wood are neither of those things, which is beside the point, which is that there's no reason on earth why a rebuilding team like the Braves would trade a young, quality starting pitcher with multiple years of control left for a 31 year old greasey chested malcontent or a 29 year old long reliever (both of whom are free agents after this season).

And also, no, just no.

For the same reason the Cubs kept getting the Scott Feldmans of the world - they become pieces that contenders will use to plug holes for the stretch run and will be happy to give up prospects for. You turn one Kyle Hendricks-level pitcher into 3-4 prospects at about the same level you'd get 2 for in a straight trade. The impending free agency makes them more attractive as trade pieces at mid-season.

At no point did the Cubs give up a good, young, controllable asset in order to acquire a Scott Feldman type they could then flip to get more good, young, controllable assets. They picked those guys up for basically nothing in FA so there'd be no risk if they went tits up like Jose Veras. If Travis Wood puts up another 5.00+ ERA as a starter (as he's done in 40+ starts over the last two years) or Coghlan regresses back to 2010-2013 Coghlan now that he's over 30, they'd have gotten rid of Shelby Miller for nothing, which is why no sane person would ever do that.

Again, I don't think Miller's going to bring the lush haul you seem to think he will. Among the young cost-controlled starters out there, he's not exactly the top of the heap.

You were willing to trade a top 100 prospect outfielder and a likely top 100 prospect catcher for him yesterday. 

Bottom line...if The Cubs are trading Soler, it better be for Carrasco or Ross, neither of whom are white.  Just for Apex's sake.

You're half-right. Tyson Ross looks at least half-white.

*runs out of the room*

[PenFoe]

The Braves can fuck right off with their Soler for Miller talk, by God.

If the Cubs decide to move Soler, it's going to be for a fuckload more than Miller.

Miller's worth maybe Coghlan/Wood and a warm body from the system, or two mid-level prospects.

For once in my life I wish one of us actually could get a GM's secretary on the phone because I want to hear the laughter from the Braves GM if you called and offered them Chris Coghlan and Travis Wood for Shelby Miller.

You should have to call into The Score to propose this trade offer, that's where it belongs.

Miller's a #3 on a contender. That's worth a starting OF and a #5 starter.

Chris Coghlan and Travis Wood are neither of those things, which is beside the point, which is that there's no reason on earth why a rebuilding team like the Braves would trade a young, quality starting pitcher with multiple years of control left for a 31 year old greasey chested malcontent or a 29 year old long reliever (both of whom are free agents after this season).

And also, no, just no.

For the same reason the Cubs kept getting the Scott Feldmans of the world - they become pieces that contenders will use to plug holes for the stretch run and will be happy to give up prospects for. You turn one Kyle Hendricks-level pitcher into 3-4 prospects at about the same level you'd get 2 for in a straight trade. The impending free agency makes them more attractive as trade pieces at mid-season.

At no point did the Cubs give up a good, young, controllable asset in order to acquire a Scott Feldman type they could then flip to get more good, young, controllable assets. They picked those guys up for basically nothing in FA so there'd be no risk if they went tits up like Jose Veras. If Travis Wood puts up another 5.00+ ERA as a starter (as he's done in 40+ starts over the last two years) or Coghlan regresses back to 2010-2013 Coghlan now that he's over 30, they'd have gotten rid of Shelby Miller for nothing, which is why no sane person would ever do that.

Again, I don't think Miller's going to bring the lush haul you seem to think he will. Among the young cost-controlled starters out there, he's not exactly the top of the heap.

You were willing to trade a top 100 prospect outfielder and a likely top 100 prospect catcher for him yesterday.  

Yeah, but both of them stacked on top of each other will be as good as Soler, which is where this discussion began. We've been over the sudden spike in Contreras' productivity, and McKinney's lack of power has been Murtonesque.

I also saw someone floating Miller for Baez, and I wouldn't make that trade either.

Let's pretend you're Beltless Theo. What do you give up for Shelby Miller right now?

Admittedly I think I like Shelby Miller more than others do, but I'd give up Gleyber and Zagunis for him.  Is that enough?

Granted, I would shop around Gleyber before I did this to see if I could get anyone better, but I'd part with him for Miller.

[SKO]

The Braves can fuck right off with their Soler for Miller talk, by God.

If the Cubs decide to move Soler, it's going to be for a fuckload more than Miller.

Miller's worth maybe Coghlan/Wood and a warm body from the system, or two mid-level prospects.

For once in my life I wish one of us actually could get a GM's secretary on the phone because I want to hear the laughter from the Braves GM if you called and offered them Chris Coghlan and Travis Wood for Shelby Miller.

You should have to call into The Score to propose this trade offer, that's where it belongs.

Miller's a #3 on a contender. That's worth a starting OF and a #5 starter.

Chris Coghlan and Travis Wood are neither of those things, which is beside the point, which is that there's no reason on earth why a rebuilding team like the Braves would trade a young, quality starting pitcher with multiple years of control left for a 31 year old greasey chested malcontent or a 29 year old long reliever (both of whom are free agents after this season).

And also, no, just no.

For the same reason the Cubs kept getting the Scott Feldmans of the world - they become pieces that contenders will use to plug holes for the stretch run and will be happy to give up prospects for. You turn one Kyle Hendricks-level pitcher into 3-4 prospects at about the same level you'd get 2 for in a straight trade. The impending free agency makes them more attractive as trade pieces at mid-season.

At no point did the Cubs give up a good, young, controllable asset in order to acquire a Scott Feldman type they could then flip to get more good, young, controllable assets. They picked those guys up for basically nothing in FA so there'd be no risk if they went tits up like Jose Veras. If Travis Wood puts up another 5.00+ ERA as a starter (as he's done in 40+ starts over the last two years) or Coghlan regresses back to 2010-2013 Coghlan now that he's over 30, they'd have gotten rid of Shelby Miller for nothing, which is why no sane person would ever do that.

Again, I don't think Miller's going to bring the lush haul you seem to think he will. Among the young cost-controlled starters out there, he's not exactly the top of the heap.

You were willing to trade a top 100 prospect outfielder and a likely top 100 prospect catcher for him yesterday. 

Yeah, but both of them stacked on top of each other will be as good as Soler, which is where this discussion began. We've been over the sudden spike in Contreras' productivity, and McKinney's lack of power has been Murtonesque.

I also saw someone floating Miller for Baez, and I wouldn't make that trade either.

Let's pretend you're Beltless Theo. What do you give up for Shelby Miller right now?

This conversation began with me saying that Miller wasn't worth Soler,  so I don't know why you need to tell me how Miller isn't worth Soler. The conversation then evolved into me making fun of your hilariously terrible Coghlan/Wood for Miller idea, which is still hilariously terrible.

[World's #1 Astros Fan]

The Braves can fuck right off with their Soler for Miller talk, by God.

If the Cubs decide to move Soler, it's going to be for a fuckload more than Miller.

Miller's worth maybe Coghlan/Wood and a warm body from the system, or two mid-level prospects.

Dave Littlefield's not walking through that door, dude.

[World's #1 Astros Fan]

DPD.

What SKO said.

[Quality Start Machine]

The Braves can fuck right off with their Soler for Miller talk, by God.

If the Cubs decide to move Soler, it's going to be for a fuckload more than Miller.

Miller's worth maybe Coghlan/Wood and a warm body from the system, or two mid-level prospects.

For once in my life I wish one of us actually could get a GM's secretary on the phone because I want to hear the laughter from the Braves GM if you called and offered them Chris Coghlan and Travis Wood for Shelby Miller.

You should have to call into The Score to propose this trade offer, that's where it belongs.

Miller's a #3 on a contender. That's worth a starting OF and a #5 starter.

Chris Coghlan and Travis Wood are neither of those things, which is beside the point, which is that there's no reason on earth why a rebuilding team like the Braves would trade a young, quality starting pitcher with multiple years of control left for a 31 year old greasey chested malcontent or a 29 year old long reliever (both of whom are free agents after this season).

And also, no, just no.

For the same reason the Cubs kept getting the Scott Feldmans of the world - they become pieces that contenders will use to plug holes for the stretch run and will be happy to give up prospects for. You turn one Kyle Hendricks-level pitcher into 3-4 prospects at about the same level you'd get 2 for in a straight trade. The impending free agency makes them more attractive as trade pieces at mid-season.

At no point did the Cubs give up a good, young, controllable asset in order to acquire a Scott Feldman type they could then flip to get more good, young, controllable assets. They picked those guys up for basically nothing in FA so there'd be no risk if they went tits up like Jose Veras. If Travis Wood puts up another 5.00+ ERA as a starter (as he's done in 40+ starts over the last two years) or Coghlan regresses back to 2010-2013 Coghlan now that he's over 30, they'd have gotten rid of Shelby Miller for nothing, which is why no sane person would ever do that.

Again, I don't think Miller's going to bring the lush haul you seem to think he will. Among the young cost-controlled starters out there, he's not exactly the top of the heap.

You were willing to trade a top 100 prospect outfielder and a likely top 100 prospect catcher for him yesterday. 

Yeah, but both of them stacked on top of each other will be as good as Soler, which is where this discussion began. We've been over the sudden spike in Contreras' productivity, and McKinney's lack of power has been Murtonesque.

I also saw someone floating Miller for Baez, and I wouldn't make that trade either.

Let's pretend you're Beltless Theo. What do you give up for Shelby Miller right now?

This conversation began with me saying that Miller wasn't worth Soler,  so I don't know why you need to tell me how Miller isn't worth Soler. The conversation then evolved into me making fun of your hilariously terrible Coghlan/Wood for Miller idea, which is still hilariously terrible.

I still don't see how the Cubs giving up 5 wins for 3 and a half is hilariously terrible.

[PenFoe]

The Braves can fuck right off with their Soler for Miller talk, by God.

If the Cubs decide to move Soler, it's going to be for a fuckload more than Miller.

Miller's worth maybe Coghlan/Wood and a warm body from the system, or two mid-level prospects.

For once in my life I wish one of us actually could get a GM's secretary on the phone because I want to hear the laughter from the Braves GM if you called and offered them Chris Coghlan and Travis Wood for Shelby Miller.

You should have to call into The Score to propose this trade offer, that's where it belongs.

Miller's a #3 on a contender. That's worth a starting OF and a #5 starter.

Chris Coghlan and Travis Wood are neither of those things, which is beside the point, which is that there's no reason on earth why a rebuilding team like the Braves would trade a young, quality starting pitcher with multiple years of control left for a 31 year old greasey chested malcontent or a 29 year old long reliever (both of whom are free agents after this season).

And also, no, just no.

For the same reason the Cubs kept getting the Scott Feldmans of the world - they become pieces that contenders will use to plug holes for the stretch run and will be happy to give up prospects for. You turn one Kyle Hendricks-level pitcher into 3-4 prospects at about the same level you'd get 2 for in a straight trade. The impending free agency makes them more attractive as trade pieces at mid-season.

At no point did the Cubs give up a good, young, controllable asset in order to acquire a Scott Feldman type they could then flip to get more good, young, controllable assets. They picked those guys up for basically nothing in FA so there'd be no risk if they went tits up like Jose Veras. If Travis Wood puts up another 5.00+ ERA as a starter (as he's done in 40+ starts over the last two years) or Coghlan regresses back to 2010-2013 Coghlan now that he's over 30, they'd have gotten rid of Shelby Miller for nothing, which is why no sane person would ever do that.

Again, I don't think Miller's going to bring the lush haul you seem to think he will. Among the young cost-controlled starters out there, he's not exactly the top of the heap.

You were willing to trade a top 100 prospect outfielder and a likely top 100 prospect catcher for him yesterday. 

Yeah, but both of them stacked on top of each other will be as good as Soler, which is where this discussion began. We've been over the sudden spike in Contreras' productivity, and McKinney's lack of power has been Murtonesque.

I also saw someone floating Miller for Baez, and I wouldn't make that trade either.

Let's pretend you're Beltless Theo. What do you give up for Shelby Miller right now?

This conversation began with me saying that Miller wasn't worth Soler,  so I don't know why you need to tell me how Miller isn't worth Soler. The conversation then evolved into me making fun of your hilariously terrible Coghlan/Wood for Miller idea, which is still hilariously terrible.

I still don't see how the Cubs giving up 5 wins for 3 and a half is hilariously terrible.

I think the bigger concern with this "offer" was that the Braves are rebuilding and the Cubs are "going for it" in which case why would the Braves give up a young, cost-controlled pitcher for two old dudes? 

Never mind that those old dudes are pretty crappy overall, which is important but of secondary importance here, I believe. 

[SKO]

The Braves can fuck right off with their Soler for Miller talk, by God.

If the Cubs decide to move Soler, it's going to be for a fuckload more than Miller.

Miller's worth maybe Coghlan/Wood and a warm body from the system, or two mid-level prospects.

For once in my life I wish one of us actually could get a GM's secretary on the phone because I want to hear the laughter from the Braves GM if you called and offered them Chris Coghlan and Travis Wood for Shelby Miller.

You should have to call into The Score to propose this trade offer, that's where it belongs.

Miller's a #3 on a contender. That's worth a starting OF and a #5 starter.

Chris Coghlan and Travis Wood are neither of those things, which is beside the point, which is that there's no reason on earth why a rebuilding team like the Braves would trade a young, quality starting pitcher with multiple years of control left for a 31 year old greasey chested malcontent or a 29 year old long reliever (both of whom are free agents after this season).

And also, no, just no.

For the same reason the Cubs kept getting the Scott Feldmans of the world - they become pieces that contenders will use to plug holes for the stretch run and will be happy to give up prospects for. You turn one Kyle Hendricks-level pitcher into 3-4 prospects at about the same level you'd get 2 for in a straight trade. The impending free agency makes them more attractive as trade pieces at mid-season.

At no point did the Cubs give up a good, young, controllable asset in order to acquire a Scott Feldman type they could then flip to get more good, young, controllable assets. They picked those guys up for basically nothing in FA so there'd be no risk if they went tits up like Jose Veras. If Travis Wood puts up another 5.00+ ERA as a starter (as he's done in 40+ starts over the last two years) or Coghlan regresses back to 2010-2013 Coghlan now that he's over 30, they'd have gotten rid of Shelby Miller for nothing, which is why no sane person would ever do that.

Again, I don't think Miller's going to bring the lush haul you seem to think he will. Among the young cost-controlled starters out there, he's not exactly the top of the heap.

You were willing to trade a top 100 prospect outfielder and a likely top 100 prospect catcher for him yesterday. 

Yeah, but both of them stacked on top of each other will be as good as Soler, which is where this discussion began. We've been over the sudden spike in Contreras' productivity, and McKinney's lack of power has been Murtonesque.

I also saw someone floating Miller for Baez, and I wouldn't make that trade either.

Let's pretend you're Beltless Theo. What do you give up for Shelby Miller right now?

This conversation began with me saying that Miller wasn't worth Soler,  so I don't know why you need to tell me how Miller isn't worth Soler. The conversation then evolved into me making fun of your hilariously terrible Coghlan/Wood for Miller idea, which is still hilariously terrible.

I still don't see how the Cubs giving up 5 wins for 3 and a half is hilariously terrible.

I think the bigger concern with this "offer" was that the Braves are rebuilding and the Cubs are "going for it" in which case why would the Braves give up a young, cost-controlled pitcher for two old dudes? 

Never mind that those old dudes are pretty crappy overall, which is important but of secondary importance here, I believe. 

Because Theo once traded Scott Feldman for Arrieta. Pay the fuck attention

[World's #1 Astros Fan]

So is there anything that would prevent the Cubs from re-signing Fowler?  I'm merely a caveman with only a vague understanding of the free agency rules so I figured I'll risk getting pointed at and laughed at by asking the question.

[SKO]

So is there anything that would prevent the Cubs from re-signing Fowler?  I'm merely a caveman with only a vague understanding of the free agency rules so I figured I'll risk getting pointed at and laughed at by asking the question.

Apparently they have no money but that's cool because would you want any of these free agents at those prices?  Woof too rich for my blood