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Re: 2015 Cubs Offseason: Building a Winner Around David Ross
« Reply #600 on: December 08, 2015, 10:51:40 AM »
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Apparently Rosenthal just said on MLBN that the Cubs are out of the Miller sweepstakes so someone else can enjoy Jake Arrieta 2.0 I suppose.

Hopefully they can talk to Cleveland about Carrasco. (non SKOpoke) I think Baez and QSM can get that done.

I think they want to hang onto Hendricks. My harebrained theory is they'll trade for a young arm, dump Hammel's salary and sign Heyward.

DPD, but this is a good thought. I bet there's a tanking team out there willing to take on one year of Hammel's salary if the Cubs offer actual prospects along with him, especially since said team could probably flip Hammel anyway if he has another first half like he did last year.

If you want a salary dump, the guy to dump is Montero.  $14mm/2.  Add in the $11mm that drops off from Edwin Jackson and it makes Heywood nearly free.

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Re: 2015 Cubs Offseason: Building a Winner Around David Ross
« Reply #601 on: December 08, 2015, 10:54:00 AM »
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on December 08, 2015, 10:51:40 AM
Quote from: SKO on December 08, 2015, 10:45:13 AM
Quote from: Eli on December 08, 2015, 10:00:26 AM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on December 08, 2015, 09:30:44 AM
Quote from: SKO on December 08, 2015, 09:14:21 AM
Apparently Rosenthal just said on MLBN that the Cubs are out of the Miller sweepstakes so someone else can enjoy Jake Arrieta 2.0 I suppose.

Hopefully they can talk to Cleveland about Carrasco. (non SKOpoke) I think Baez and QSM can get that done.

I think they want to hang onto Hendricks. My harebrained theory is they'll trade for a young arm, dump Hammel's salary and sign Heyward.

DPD, but this is a good thought. I bet there's a tanking team out there willing to take on one year of Hammel's salary if the Cubs offer actual prospects along with him, especially since said team could probably flip Hammel anyway if he has another first half like he did last year.

If you want a salary dump, the guy to dump is Montero.  $14mm/2.  Add in the $11mm that drops off from Edwin Jackson and it makes Heywood nearly free.

Yeah and plus that clears up a spot at catcher for
I will vow, for the sake of peace, not to complain about David Ross between now and his first start next year- 10/26/2015

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Re: 2015 Cubs Offseason: Building a Winner Around David Ross
« Reply #602 on: December 08, 2015, 10:55:26 AM »
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on December 08, 2015, 10:50:20 AM
Quote from: SKO on December 08, 2015, 10:45:13 AM
Quote from: Eli on December 08, 2015, 10:00:26 AM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on December 08, 2015, 09:30:44 AM
Quote from: SKO on December 08, 2015, 09:14:21 AM
Apparently Rosenthal just said on MLBN that the Cubs are out of the Miller sweepstakes so someone else can enjoy Jake Arrieta 2.0 I suppose.

Hopefully they can talk to Cleveland about Carrasco. (non SKOpoke) I think Baez and QSM can get that done.

I think they want to hang onto Hendricks. My harebrained theory is they'll trade for a young arm, dump Hammel's salary and sign Heyward.

DPD, but this is a good thought. I bet there's a tanking team out there willing to take on one year of Hammel's salary if the Cubs offer actual prospects along with him, especially since said team could probably flip Hammel anyway if he has another first half like he did last year.

Or at the very least, even tanking teams need to fill out a roster.

Yeah but they can fill out a roster for a lot cheaper than 9 million dollars. To get someone to take on Hammel you'd have to give them something of value. Probably at least one semi-legitimate prospect and some guys that are worth taking chances on. Nobody the Cubs would miss but this is the kind of thing you can afford to do with a loaded system and blocked prospects.
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Re: 2015 Cubs Offseason: Building a Winner Around David Ross
« Reply #603 on: December 08, 2015, 11:01:01 AM »
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on December 08, 2015, 10:51:40 AM
If you want a salary dump, the guy to dump is Montero.  $14mm/2.  Add in the $11mm that drops off from Edwin Jackson and it makes Heywood nearly free.

It also makes the catcher spot free of a starting catcher.

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Re: 2015 Cubs Offseason: Building a Winner Around David Ross
« Reply #604 on: December 08, 2015, 11:11:49 AM »
Quote from: Eli on December 08, 2015, 11:01:01 AM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on December 08, 2015, 10:51:40 AM
If you want a salary dump, the guy to dump is Montero.  $14mm/2.  Add in the $11mm that drops off from Edwin Jackson and it makes Heywood nearly free.

It also makes the catcher spot free of a starting catcher.

Well they still have to pay Edlose for 2016 but it'll drop off eventually.  Just like Lester's will.  Eventually.
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Re: 2015 Cubs Offseason: Building a Winner Around David Ross
« Reply #605 on: December 08, 2015, 11:17:06 AM »
Quote from: SKO on December 08, 2015, 10:55:26 AM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on December 08, 2015, 10:50:20 AM
Quote from: SKO on December 08, 2015, 10:45:13 AM
Quote from: Eli on December 08, 2015, 10:00:26 AM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on December 08, 2015, 09:30:44 AM
Quote from: SKO on December 08, 2015, 09:14:21 AM
Apparently Rosenthal just said on MLBN that the Cubs are out of the Miller sweepstakes so someone else can enjoy Jake Arrieta 2.0 I suppose.

Hopefully they can talk to Cleveland about Carrasco. (non SKOpoke) I think Baez and QSM can get that done.

I think they want to hang onto Hendricks. My harebrained theory is they'll trade for a young arm, dump Hammel's salary and sign Heyward.

DPD, but this is a good thought. I bet there's a tanking team out there willing to take on one year of Hammel's salary if the Cubs offer actual prospects along with him, especially since said team could probably flip Hammel anyway if he has another first half like he did last year.

Or at the very least, even tanking teams need to fill out a roster.

Yeah but they can fill out a roster for a lot cheaper than 9 million dollars. To get someone to take on Hammel you'd have to give them something of value. Probably at least one semi-legitimate prospect and some guys that are worth taking chances on. Nobody the Cubs would miss but this is the kind of thing you can afford to do with a loaded system and blocked prospects.

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Re: 2015 Cubs Offseason: Building a Winner Around David Ross
« Reply #606 on: December 08, 2015, 11:33:01 AM »
Quote from: SKO on December 08, 2015, 10:54:00 AM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on December 08, 2015, 10:51:40 AM
Quote from: SKO on December 08, 2015, 10:45:13 AM
Quote from: Eli on December 08, 2015, 10:00:26 AM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on December 08, 2015, 09:30:44 AM
Quote from: SKO on December 08, 2015, 09:14:21 AM
Apparently Rosenthal just said on MLBN that the Cubs are out of the Miller sweepstakes so someone else can enjoy Jake Arrieta 2.0 I suppose.

Hopefully they can talk to Cleveland about Carrasco. (non SKOpoke) I think Baez and QSM can get that done.

I think they want to hang onto Hendricks. My harebrained theory is they'll trade for a young arm, dump Hammel's salary and sign Heyward.

DPD, but this is a good thought. I bet there's a tanking team out there willing to take on one year of Hammel's salary if the Cubs offer actual prospects along with him, especially since said team could probably flip Hammel anyway if he has another first half like he did last year.

If you want a salary dump, the guy to dump is Montero.  $14mm/2.  Add in the $11mm that drops off from Edwin Jackson and it makes Heywood nearly free.

Yeah and plus that clears up a spot at catcher for

Isn't this, technically speaking, a complaint about David Ross?  Convene the Desipio tribunal.
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Re: 2015 Cubs Offseason: Building a Winner Around David Ross
« Reply #607 on: December 08, 2015, 11:39:58 AM »
Quote from: Sterling Archer on December 08, 2015, 11:33:01 AM
Quote from: SKO on December 08, 2015, 10:54:00 AM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on December 08, 2015, 10:51:40 AM
Quote from: SKO on December 08, 2015, 10:45:13 AM
Quote from: Eli on December 08, 2015, 10:00:26 AM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on December 08, 2015, 09:30:44 AM
Quote from: SKO on December 08, 2015, 09:14:21 AM
Apparently Rosenthal just said on MLBN that the Cubs are out of the Miller sweepstakes so someone else can enjoy Jake Arrieta 2.0 I suppose.

Hopefully they can talk to Cleveland about Carrasco. (non SKOpoke) I think Baez and QSM can get that done.

I think they want to hang onto Hendricks. My harebrained theory is they'll trade for a young arm, dump Hammel's salary and sign Heyward.

DPD, but this is a good thought. I bet there's a tanking team out there willing to take on one year of Hammel's salary if the Cubs offer actual prospects along with him, especially since said team could probably flip Hammel anyway if he has another first half like he did last year.

If you want a salary dump, the guy to dump is Montero.  $14mm/2.  Add in the $11mm that drops off from Edwin Jackson and it makes Heywood nearly free.

Yeah and plus that clears up a spot at catcher for

Isn't this, technically speaking, a complaint about David Ross?  Convene the Desipio tribunal.

I don't think anyone wants Ross to be an everyday starter, so I vore to give SKO a pass.
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Re: 2015 Cubs Offseason: Building a Winner Around David Ross
« Reply #608 on: December 08, 2015, 11:40:24 AM »
Quote from: Bort on December 08, 2015, 11:39:58 AM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on December 08, 2015, 11:33:01 AM
Quote from: SKO on December 08, 2015, 10:54:00 AM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on December 08, 2015, 10:51:40 AM
Quote from: SKO on December 08, 2015, 10:45:13 AM
Quote from: Eli on December 08, 2015, 10:00:26 AM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on December 08, 2015, 09:30:44 AM
Quote from: SKO on December 08, 2015, 09:14:21 AM
Apparently Rosenthal just said on MLBN that the Cubs are out of the Miller sweepstakes so someone else can enjoy Jake Arrieta 2.0 I suppose.

Hopefully they can talk to Cleveland about Carrasco. (non SKOpoke) I think Baez and QSM can get that done.

I think they want to hang onto Hendricks. My harebrained theory is they'll trade for a young arm, dump Hammel's salary and sign Heyward.

DPD, but this is a good thought. I bet there's a tanking team out there willing to take on one year of Hammel's salary if the Cubs offer actual prospects along with him, especially since said team could probably flip Hammel anyway if he has another first half like he did last year.

If you want a salary dump, the guy to dump is Montero.  $14mm/2.  Add in the $11mm that drops off from Edwin Jackson and it makes Heywood nearly free.

Yeah and plus that clears up a spot at catcher for

Isn't this, technically speaking, a complaint about David Ross?  Convene the Desipio tribunal.

I don't think anyone wants Ross to be an everyday starter, so I vore to give SKO a pass.

The whole vore?  That's not allowed.
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Re: 2015 Cubs Offseason: Building a Winner Around David Ross
« Reply #609 on: December 08, 2015, 11:41:42 AM »
Quote from: Bort on December 08, 2015, 11:39:58 AM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on December 08, 2015, 11:33:01 AM
Quote from: SKO on December 08, 2015, 10:54:00 AM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on December 08, 2015, 10:51:40 AM
Quote from: SKO on December 08, 2015, 10:45:13 AM
Quote from: Eli on December 08, 2015, 10:00:26 AM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on December 08, 2015, 09:30:44 AM
Quote from: SKO on December 08, 2015, 09:14:21 AM
Apparently Rosenthal just said on MLBN that the Cubs are out of the Miller sweepstakes so someone else can enjoy Jake Arrieta 2.0 I suppose.

Hopefully they can talk to Cleveland about Carrasco. (non SKOpoke) I think Baez and QSM can get that done.

I think they want to hang onto Hendricks. My harebrained theory is they'll trade for a young arm, dump Hammel's salary and sign Heyward.

DPD, but this is a good thought. I bet there's a tanking team out there willing to take on one year of Hammel's salary if the Cubs offer actual prospects along with him, especially since said team could probably flip Hammel anyway if he has another first half like he did last year.

If you want a salary dump, the guy to dump is Montero.  $14mm/2.  Add in the $11mm that drops off from Edwin Jackson and it makes Heywood nearly free.

Yeah and plus that clears up a spot at catcher for

Isn't this, technically speaking, a complaint about David Ross?  Convene the Desipio tribunal.

I don't think anyone wants Ross to be an everyday starter, so I vore to give SKO a pass.

To be fair, I don't even think Chuck is so dumb as to suggest David Ross as the primary catcher, but he does seem to think Schwarber can be a full time catcher through the power of positive thinking or something. Or he really has a ton of faith in Willson Contreras AA All Star appearance.
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Re: 2015 Cubs Offseason: Building a Winner Around David Ross
« Reply #610 on: December 08, 2015, 11:46:22 AM »
Quote from: SKO on December 08, 2015, 11:41:42 AM
Quote from: Bort on December 08, 2015, 11:39:58 AM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on December 08, 2015, 11:33:01 AM
Quote from: SKO on December 08, 2015, 10:54:00 AM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on December 08, 2015, 10:51:40 AM
Quote from: SKO on December 08, 2015, 10:45:13 AM
Quote from: Eli on December 08, 2015, 10:00:26 AM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on December 08, 2015, 09:30:44 AM
Quote from: SKO on December 08, 2015, 09:14:21 AM
Apparently Rosenthal just said on MLBN that the Cubs are out of the Miller sweepstakes so someone else can enjoy Jake Arrieta 2.0 I suppose.

Hopefully they can talk to Cleveland about Carrasco. (non SKOpoke) I think Baez and QSM can get that done.

I think they want to hang onto Hendricks. My harebrained theory is they'll trade for a young arm, dump Hammel's salary and sign Heyward.

DPD, but this is a good thought. I bet there's a tanking team out there willing to take on one year of Hammel's salary if the Cubs offer actual prospects along with him, especially since said team could probably flip Hammel anyway if he has another first half like he did last year.

If you want a salary dump, the guy to dump is Montero.  $14mm/2.  Add in the $11mm that drops off from Edwin Jackson and it makes Heywood nearly free.

Yeah and plus that clears up a spot at catcher for

Isn't this, technically speaking, a complaint about David Ross?  Convene the Desipio tribunal.

I don't think anyone wants Ross to be an everyday starter, so I vore to give SKO a pass.

To be fair, I don't even think Chuck is so dumb as to suggest David Ross as the primary catcher, but he does seem to think Schwarber can be a full time catcher through the power of positive thinking or something. Or he really has a ton of faith in Willson Contreras AA All Star appearance.

Tyler Flowers is still available.  (throws up)
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Re: 2015 Cubs Offseason: Building a Winner Around David Ross
« Reply #611 on: December 08, 2015, 01:32:50 PM »
Quote from: SKO on December 08, 2015, 11:41:42 AM
Quote from: Bort on December 08, 2015, 11:39:58 AM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on December 08, 2015, 11:33:01 AM
Quote from: SKO on December 08, 2015, 10:54:00 AM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on December 08, 2015, 10:51:40 AM
Quote from: SKO on December 08, 2015, 10:45:13 AM
Quote from: Eli on December 08, 2015, 10:00:26 AM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on December 08, 2015, 09:30:44 AM
Quote from: SKO on December 08, 2015, 09:14:21 AM
Apparently Rosenthal just said on MLBN that the Cubs are out of the Miller sweepstakes so someone else can enjoy Jake Arrieta 2.0 I suppose.

Hopefully they can talk to Cleveland about Carrasco. (non SKOpoke) I think Baez and QSM can get that done.

I think they want to hang onto Hendricks. My harebrained theory is they'll trade for a young arm, dump Hammel's salary and sign Heyward.

DPD, but this is a good thought. I bet there's a tanking team out there willing to take on one year of Hammel's salary if the Cubs offer actual prospects along with him, especially since said team could probably flip Hammel anyway if he has another first half like he did last year.

If you want a salary dump, the guy to dump is Montero.  $14mm/2.  Add in the $11mm that drops off from Edwin Jackson and it makes Heywood nearly free.

Yeah and plus that clears up a spot at catcher for

Isn't this, technically speaking, a complaint about David Ross?  Convene the Desipio tribunal.

I don't think anyone wants Ross to be an everyday starter, so I vore to give SKO a pass.

To be fair, I don't even think Chuck is so dumb as to suggest David Ross as the primary catcher, but he does seem to think Schwarber can be a full time catcher through the power of positive thinking or something. Or he really has a ton of faith in Willson Contreras AA All Star appearance.

More like "really hope." If Schwarber can catch for a few years, it makes a whole bunch of other moves massively easier.  I'm not counting on that, but to have Montero's money and have left field open?  Splooge.

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Re: 2015 Cubs Offseason: Building a Winner Around David Ross
« Reply #612 on: December 08, 2015, 05:21:40 PM »
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on December 08, 2015, 01:32:50 PM
Quote from: SKO on December 08, 2015, 11:41:42 AM
Quote from: Bort on December 08, 2015, 11:39:58 AM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on December 08, 2015, 11:33:01 AM
Quote from: SKO on December 08, 2015, 10:54:00 AM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on December 08, 2015, 10:51:40 AM
Quote from: SKO on December 08, 2015, 10:45:13 AM
Quote from: Eli on December 08, 2015, 10:00:26 AM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on December 08, 2015, 09:30:44 AM
Quote from: SKO on December 08, 2015, 09:14:21 AM
Apparently Rosenthal just said on MLBN that the Cubs are out of the Miller sweepstakes so someone else can enjoy Jake Arrieta 2.0 I suppose.

Hopefully they can talk to Cleveland about Carrasco. (non SKOpoke) I think Baez and QSM can get that done.

I think they want to hang onto Hendricks. My harebrained theory is they'll trade for a young arm, dump Hammel's salary and sign Heyward.

DPD, but this is a good thought. I bet there's a tanking team out there willing to take on one year of Hammel's salary if the Cubs offer actual prospects along with him, especially since said team could probably flip Hammel anyway if he has another first half like he did last year.

If you want a salary dump, the guy to dump is Montero.  $14mm/2.  Add in the $11mm that drops off from Edwin Jackson and it makes Heywood nearly free.

Yeah and plus that clears up a spot at catcher for

Isn't this, technically speaking, a complaint about David Ross?  Convene the Desipio tribunal.

I don't think anyone wants Ross to be an everyday starter, so I vore to give SKO a pass.

To be fair, I don't even think Chuck is so dumb as to suggest David Ross as the primary catcher, but he does seem to think Schwarber can be a full time catcher through the power of positive thinking or something. Or he really has a ton of faith in Willson Contreras AA All Star appearance.

More like "really hope." If Schwarber can catch for a few years, it makes a whole bunch of other moves massively easier.  I'm not counting on that, but to have Montero's money and have left field open?  Splooge.

Maybe at some point Schwarber could be an adequate big league catcher. But the point isn't here.
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Re: 2015 Cubs Offseason: Building a Winner Around David Ross
« Reply #613 on: December 08, 2015, 06:45:35 PM »
Zobrist a Cub?
M'lady.

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Re: 2015 Cubs Offseason: Building a Winner Around David Ross
« Reply #614 on: December 08, 2015, 06:56:47 PM »
Quote from: Canadouche on December 08, 2015, 06:45:35 PM
Zobrist a Cub?

$14 million per for four years is much more palatable than what was being reported. Not crazy about the fourth year, though. And if this takes them out of the running for Heyward, I'll be reaching for the keys to the firebarn.
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