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Re: The 2016 Cubs: SPLOOGE SPLOOGE SPLOOGE
« Reply #375 on: May 30, 2016, 08:01:58 PM »
I think they're only keeping Federowicz on the big league roster to give them some sort of handicap.
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Re: The 2016 Cubs: SPLOOGE SPLOOGE SPLOOGE
« Reply #376 on: May 31, 2016, 10:05:54 PM »
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on May 30, 2016, 08:01:58 PM
I think they're only keeping Federowicz on the big league roster to give them some sort of handicap.

Same with Clayton Richard, I guess
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Re: The 2016 Cubs: SPLOOGE SPLOOGE SPLOOGE
« Reply #377 on: May 31, 2016, 10:08:10 PM »
Quote from: SKO on May 31, 2016, 10:05:54 PM
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on May 30, 2016, 08:01:58 PM
I think they're only keeping Federowicz on the big league roster to give them some sort of handicap.

Same with Clayton Richard, I guess

Surprise: Clayton Richard gave up runs. Ready the firebarn.
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Re: The 2016 Cubs: SPLOOGE SPLOOGE SPLOOGE
« Reply #378 on: June 01, 2016, 08:22:43 AM »
Quote from: SKO on May 31, 2016, 10:05:54 PM
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on May 30, 2016, 08:01:58 PM
I think they're only keeping Federowicz on the big league roster to give them some sort of handicap.

Same with Clayton Richard, I guess

Not only does he suck, but every time they put his face on the video board, it creeps me the fuck out.
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Re: The 2016 Cubs: SPLOOGE SPLOOGE SPLOOGE
« Reply #379 on: June 01, 2016, 08:33:53 AM »
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on June 01, 2016, 08:22:43 AM
Quote from: SKO on May 31, 2016, 10:05:54 PM
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on May 30, 2016, 08:01:58 PM
I think they're only keeping Federowicz on the big league roster to give them some sort of handicap.

Same with Clayton Richard, I guess

Not only does he suck, but every time they put his face on the video board, it creeps me the fuck out.

The theory was advanced by Eli and Slak that Joe is "Schlittering" Richard and forcing Theo's hand by playing him until Theo gets Joe an actual LOOGY. I'm good with last night if it brought us a day closer to Andrew Miller or Sean Doolittle or something.
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Re: The 2016 Cubs: SPLOOGE SPLOOGE SPLOOGE
« Reply #380 on: June 01, 2016, 08:45:04 AM »
Lost in the bullpen suckage was the absolutely brutal night Montero had behind the plate.
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Re: The 2016 Cubs: SPLOOGE SPLOOGE SPLOOGE
« Reply #381 on: June 01, 2016, 08:58:36 AM »
Quote from: SKO on June 01, 2016, 08:33:53 AM
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on June 01, 2016, 08:22:43 AM
Quote from: SKO on May 31, 2016, 10:05:54 PM
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on May 30, 2016, 08:01:58 PM
I think they're only keeping Federowicz on the big league roster to give them some sort of handicap.

Same with Clayton Richard, I guess

Not only does he suck, but every time they put his face on the video board, it creeps me the fuck out.

The theory was advanced by Eli and Slak that Joe is "Schlittering" Richard and forcing Theo's hand by playing him until Theo gets Joe an actual LOOGY. I'm good with last night if it brought us a day closer to Andrew Miller or Sean Doolittle or something.

Options 1 and 2 here may also be worth trying in between the Richard DFA and the trade deadline.

QuoteFirst of all, how about Gerardo Concepcion? Between Tennessee and Iowa this year he has an ERA of 0.66. He's given up just two runs on eleven hits, and only three of those hits came from left-handed hitters. Against lefties with Iowa (sample size alert) he's allowed a batting average of just .167 while striking out four in 3.2 innings. I'd rather see him get more seasoning in Iowa first, but if the Cubs need an option in the short term, he could be a good one.

So could Rob Zastryzny. Right now Zastryzny is a starter, but even as a starter he is markedly more effective against left handed hitters. With Iowa, for example, in 7.2 IP against RHH he has an ERA of 4.70 on a batting average against of .292. Against lefties those numbers drop to 2.08 and .250 respectively. Long term I think the Cubs will want to keep him as a starter, but short term some work out of a major league bullpen would probably be good experience.

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Re: The 2016 Cubs: SPLOOGE SPLOOGE SPLOOGE
« Reply #382 on: June 01, 2016, 09:01:17 AM »
Quote from: R-V on June 01, 2016, 08:58:36 AM
Quote from: SKO on June 01, 2016, 08:33:53 AM
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on June 01, 2016, 08:22:43 AM
Quote from: SKO on May 31, 2016, 10:05:54 PM
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on May 30, 2016, 08:01:58 PM
I think they're only keeping Federowicz on the big league roster to give them some sort of handicap.

Same with Clayton Richard, I guess

Not only does he suck, but every time they put his face on the video board, it creeps me the fuck out.

The theory was advanced by Eli and Slak that Joe is "Schlittering" Richard and forcing Theo's hand by playing him until Theo gets Joe an actual LOOGY. I'm good with last night if it brought us a day closer to Andrew Miller or Sean Doolittle or something.

Options 1 and 2 here may also be worth trying in between the Richard DFA and the trade deadline.

QuoteFirst of all, how about Gerardo Concepcion? Between Tennessee and Iowa this year he has an ERA of 0.66. He's given up just two runs on eleven hits, and only three of those hits came from left-handed hitters. Against lefties with Iowa (sample size alert) he's allowed a batting average of just .167 while striking out four in 3.2 innings. I'd rather see him get more seasoning in Iowa first, but if the Cubs need an option in the short term, he could be a good one.

So could Rob Zastryzny. Right now Zastryzny is a starter, but even as a starter he is markedly more effective against left handed hitters. With Iowa, for example, in 7.2 IP against RHH he has an ERA of 4.70 on a batting average against of .292. Against lefties those numbers drop to 2.08 and .250 respectively. Long term I think the Cubs will want to keep him as a starter, but short term some work out of a major league bullpen would probably be good experience.

A try out for Concepcion is fine by me, it seems like the Cubs have finally abandoned any hope of him being a starter so if he can throw strikes I don't know why they shouldn't see if he can sink or swim at the majors. I'm not sure what additional minor league seasoning does for a reliever who isn't having control problems or trying to develop an extra pitch.

Zastryzny should probably just stay where he is if they think he has any shot at being a starter eventually. They're not really at all desperate so interrupting his development seems like an overreaction to a situation that's bit them in the ass exactly once all year.
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Re: The 2016 Cubs: SPLOOGE SPLOOGE SPLOOGE
« Reply #383 on: June 01, 2016, 09:21:57 AM »
Quote from: SKO on June 01, 2016, 09:01:17 AM
Quote from: R-V on June 01, 2016, 08:58:36 AM
Quote from: SKO on June 01, 2016, 08:33:53 AM
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on June 01, 2016, 08:22:43 AM
Quote from: SKO on May 31, 2016, 10:05:54 PM
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on May 30, 2016, 08:01:58 PM
I think they're only keeping Federowicz on the big league roster to give them some sort of handicap.

Same with Clayton Richard, I guess

Not only does he suck, but every time they put his face on the video board, it creeps me the fuck out.

The theory was advanced by Eli and Slak that Joe is "Schlittering" Richard and forcing Theo's hand by playing him until Theo gets Joe an actual LOOGY. I'm good with last night if it brought us a day closer to Andrew Miller or Sean Doolittle or something.

Options 1 and 2 here may also be worth trying in between the Richard DFA and the trade deadline.

QuoteFirst of all, how about Gerardo Concepcion? Between Tennessee and Iowa this year he has an ERA of 0.66. He's given up just two runs on eleven hits, and only three of those hits came from left-handed hitters. Against lefties with Iowa (sample size alert) he's allowed a batting average of just .167 while striking out four in 3.2 innings. I'd rather see him get more seasoning in Iowa first, but if the Cubs need an option in the short term, he could be a good one.

So could Rob Zastryzny. Right now Zastryzny is a starter, but even as a starter he is markedly more effective against left handed hitters. With Iowa, for example, in 7.2 IP against RHH he has an ERA of 4.70 on a batting average against of .292. Against lefties those numbers drop to 2.08 and .250 respectively. Long term I think the Cubs will want to keep him as a starter, but short term some work out of a major league bullpen would probably be good experience.

A try out for Concepcion is fine by me, it seems like the Cubs have finally abandoned any hope of him being a starter so if he can throw strikes I don't know why they shouldn't see if he can sink or swim at the majors. I'm not sure what additional minor league seasoning does for a reliever who isn't having control problems or trying to develop an extra pitch.

Zastryzny should probably just stay where he is if they think he has any shot at being a starter eventually. They're not really at all desperate so interrupting his development seems like an overreaction to a situation that's bit them in the ass exactly once all year.

Yeah, I agree. There's a need for at least a LOOGY in the pen, but it's not worth boiling the ocean over.
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Re: The 2016 Cubs: SPLOOGE SPLOOGE SPLOOGE
« Reply #384 on: June 01, 2016, 10:14:28 AM »
I don't think people know how horrible Concepcion has been for the past few years. Like, shouldn't-have-still-been-in-the-system horrible. It'll take a lot more than two months for me to think he should be anywhere near the major-league roster.

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« Reply #385 on: June 01, 2016, 10:20:29 AM »
Quote from: Eli on June 01, 2016, 10:14:28 AM
I don't think people know how horrible Concepcion has been for the past few years. Like, shouldn't-have-still-been-in-the-system horrible. It'll take a lot more than two months for me to think he should be anywhere near the major-league roster.

For what it's worth, Arguello and a few others have said his struggles largely stemmed from the Cubs asking him to throw a changeup and add pitches to his repertoire in order to potentially become a starter some day. Since they've abandoned that idea and just had him throw two pitches and work primarily as a lefty specialist, he's been a lot better. But yes I agree I don't trust him much and would prefer a veteran alternative that isn't Clayton Richard.
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« Reply #386 on: June 01, 2016, 10:36:39 AM »
Quote from: SKO on June 01, 2016, 10:20:29 AM
Quote from: Eli on June 01, 2016, 10:14:28 AM
I don't think people know how horrible Concepcion has been for the past few years. Like, shouldn't-have-still-been-in-the-system horrible. It'll take a lot more than two months for me to think he should be anywhere near the major-league roster.

For what it's worth, Arguello and a few others have said his struggles largely stemmed from the Cubs asking him to throw a changeup and add pitches to his repertoire in order to potentially become a starter some day. Since they've abandoned that idea and just had him throw two pitches and work primarily as a lefty specialist, he's been a lot better. But yes I agree I don't trust him much and would prefer a veteran alternative that isn't Clayton Richard.

I don't have time read things on line, so I hadn't heard that. But hopefully it's true and he can actually be a useful player for a while.

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Re: The 2016 Cubs: SPLOOGE SPLOOGE SPLOOGE
« Reply #387 on: June 01, 2016, 10:44:15 AM »
Quote from: Eli on June 01, 2016, 10:36:39 AM
Quote from: SKO on June 01, 2016, 10:20:29 AM
Quote from: Eli on June 01, 2016, 10:14:28 AM
I don't think people know how horrible Concepcion has been for the past few years. Like, shouldn't-have-still-been-in-the-system horrible. It'll take a lot more than two months for me to think he should be anywhere near the major-league roster.

For what it's worth, Arguello and a few others have said his struggles largely stemmed from the Cubs asking him to throw a changeup and add pitches to his repertoire in order to potentially become a starter some day. Since they've abandoned that idea and just had him throw two pitches and work primarily as a lefty specialist, he's been a lot better. But yes I agree I don't trust him much and would prefer a veteran alternative that isn't Clayton Richard.

I don't have time read things on line, so I hadn't heard that. But hopefully it's true and he can actually be a useful player for a while.

Yeah, it sounds like the Cubs tried for a long time to make him stick as a starter because that was how he was originally projected and they spent a lot of money on him. Once they accepted that wasn't going to work and made him a specialist he's thrived. Could be a fluke I suppose but it sounds like he sure has the stuff to be a pretty effective LOOGY.
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Re: The 2016 Cubs: SPLOOGE SPLOOGE SPLOOGE
« Reply #388 on: June 01, 2016, 07:14:35 PM »
They can have their slapdick infielder's leadoff home run. I'm fine with winning 10-1.
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« Reply #389 on: June 01, 2016, 09:39:48 PM »
Quote from: Saul Goodman on June 01, 2016, 07:14:35 PM
They can have their slapdick infielder's leadoff home run. I'm fine with winning 10-1.

Fine, 2-1 works too.
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