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Re: The 2016 Cubs: SPLOOGE SPLOOGE SPLOOGE
« Reply #780 on: August 01, 2016, 09:34:19 AM »
Between the 9th in Miami and that game last night, it appears the old devil magic has moved up North a bit.
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Re: The 2016 Cubs: SPLOOGE SPLOOGE SPLOOGE
« Reply #781 on: August 01, 2016, 09:39:43 AM »
Quote from: thehawk on August 01, 2016, 09:34:19 AM
Between the 9th in Miami and that game last night, it appears the old devil magic has moved up North a bit.

I was so mad the Cardinals managed to tie that game on a little league homer because arguably the best defensive SS in the NL this year tossed a routine relay throw into the dugout. Then they lost on an equally terrible defensive play of their own, so that was fitting.
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Re: The 2016 Cubs: SPLOOGE SPLOOGE SPLOOGE
« Reply #782 on: August 01, 2016, 10:01:12 AM »
Quote from: SKO on August 01, 2016, 09:39:43 AM
Quote from: thehawk on August 01, 2016, 09:34:19 AM
Between the 9th in Miami and that game last night, it appears the old devil magic has moved up North a bit.

I was so mad the Cardinals managed to tie that game on a little league homer because arguably the best defensive SS in the NL this year tossed a routine relay throw into the dugout. Then they lost on an equally terrible defensive play of their own, so that was fitting.

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Re: The 2016 Cubs: SPLOOGE SPLOOGE SPLOOGE
« Reply #783 on: August 01, 2016, 10:02:56 AM »
Quote from: ChuckD on July 31, 2016, 08:28:31 PM
Quote from: SKO on July 31, 2016, 07:26:26 PM
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What was your favorite moment of the Brian Matusz Era?

Between sending down La Stella in favor of Coghlan, giving Matusz a start because fuck it why not, and using Joel Peralta at all it feels like the Cubs are using the rest of the season for roster tinkering rather than winning which is pretty fucking dumb considering their lead is now longer even remotely close to insurmountable

Meh, they had to call Matusz up or let him walk. Given that he's a LHP, had good numbers from 2013-15, and was effective in his minor league rehab, it was worth giving him a shot.

I saw this briefly mentioned on Twitter as well but I'm not entirely clear on this point. When he signed with the Cubs did he have a clause in his contract that he could opt out if they didn't call him up by X date this year? And also, now that he's up, he doesn't have to accept a demotion to Iowa, correct?

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Re: The 2016 Cubs: SPLOOGE SPLOOGE SPLOOGE
« Reply #784 on: August 01, 2016, 10:42:45 AM »
Quote from: SKO on August 01, 2016, 09:39:43 AM
Quote from: thehawk on August 01, 2016, 09:34:19 AM
Between the 9th in Miami and that game last night, it appears the old devil magic has moved up North a bit.

I was so mad the Cardinals managed to tie that game on a little league homer because arguably the best defensive SS in the NL this year tossed a routine relay throw into the dugout. Then they lost on an equally terrible defensive play of their own, so that was fitting.

"Arguably" is right since the two best defensive SSs in the NL plays for The Cubs.  Jerkface.

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Re: The 2016 Cubs: SPLOOGE SPLOOGE SPLOOGE
« Reply #785 on: August 01, 2016, 10:45:02 AM »
Quote from: R-V on August 01, 2016, 10:02:56 AM
Quote from: ChuckD on July 31, 2016, 08:28:31 PM
Quote from: SKO on July 31, 2016, 07:26:26 PM
Quote from: Saul Goodman on July 31, 2016, 07:16:36 PM
What was your favorite moment of the Brian Matusz Era?

Between sending down La Stella in favor of Coghlan, giving Matusz a start because fuck it why not, and using Joel Peralta at all it feels like the Cubs are using the rest of the season for roster tinkering rather than winning which is pretty fucking dumb considering their lead is now longer even remotely close to insurmountable

Meh, they had to call Matusz up or let him walk. Given that he's a LHP, had good numbers from 2013-15, and was effective in his minor league rehab, it was worth giving him a shot.

I saw this briefly mentioned on Twitter as well but I'm not entirely clear on this point. When he signed with the Cubs did he have a clause in his contract that he could opt out if they didn't call him up by X date this year? And also, now that he's up, he doesn't have to accept a demotion to Iowa, correct?

Yes, my understanding was he could opt out if he wasn't selected by 8/1. And yes, it appears he's out of options so he would/will need to be DFA'd.

Edit: He's been released.

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Re: The 2016 Cubs: SPLOOGE SPLOOGE SPLOOGE
« Reply #786 on: August 01, 2016, 10:47:19 AM »
Quote from: ChuckD on August 01, 2016, 10:45:02 AM
Quote from: R-V on August 01, 2016, 10:02:56 AM
Quote from: ChuckD on July 31, 2016, 08:28:31 PM
Quote from: SKO on July 31, 2016, 07:26:26 PM
Quote from: Saul Goodman on July 31, 2016, 07:16:36 PM
What was your favorite moment of the Brian Matusz Era?

Between sending down La Stella in favor of Coghlan, giving Matusz a start because fuck it why not, and using Joel Peralta at all it feels like the Cubs are using the rest of the season for roster tinkering rather than winning which is pretty fucking dumb considering their lead is now longer even remotely close to insurmountable

Meh, they had to call Matusz up or let him walk. Given that he's a LHP, had good numbers from 2013-15, and was effective in his minor league rehab, it was worth giving him a shot.

I saw this briefly mentioned on Twitter as well but I'm not entirely clear on this point. When he signed with the Cubs did he have a clause in his contract that he could opt out if they didn't call him up by X date this year? And also, now that he's up, he doesn't have to accept a demotion to Iowa, correct?

Yes, my understanding was he could opt out if he wasn't selected by 8/1. And yes, it appears he's out of options so he would/will need to be DFA'd.

Edit: He's been released.

Once the Odorizzi trade is announced in a few hours, I imagine he will be.

Edit: They didn't wait.

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Re: The 2016 Cubs: SPLOOGE SPLOOGE SPLOOGE
« Reply #787 on: August 01, 2016, 10:02:15 PM »
Quote from: R-V on August 01, 2016, 10:02:56 AM
I saw this briefly mentioned on Twitter as well but I'm not entirely clear on this point.

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Re: The 2016 Cubs: SPLOOGE SPLOOGE SPLOOGE
« Reply #789 on: August 01, 2016, 10:53:00 PM »
Magic number is 50 on August 1.

That'll do.
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Re: The 2016 Cubs: SPLOOGE SPLOOGE SPLOOGE
« Reply #790 on: August 02, 2016, 08:09:08 AM »
Seriously though, why is Coghlan up and La Stella in Iowa? It just doesn't make any sense. Also, where does Joe Smith fit in? That seems like a strange move. Now Justin Grimm is even more blocked? Then there's Jorge...

I'm just a little weirded out by the roster decisions lately.
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Re: The 2016 Cubs: SPLOOGE SPLOOGE SPLOOGE
« Reply #791 on: August 02, 2016, 08:23:23 AM »
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on August 02, 2016, 08:09:08 AM
Seriously though, why is Coghlan up and La Stella in Iowa? It just doesn't make any sense. Also, where does Joe Smith fit in? That seems like a strange move. Now Justin Grimm is even more blocked? Then there's Jorge...

I'm just a little weirded out by the roster decisions lately.

Coghlan is up and La Stella is in Iowa because they want the outfield "depth" (if you can call rostering the worst outfielder in the majors depth) and La Stella had an option left and they figure they can get by for a month before the rosters expand. I don't agree with it either but there's some logic to it.

Joe Smith has been very good against right handed batters in his career and he gets groundballs 60% of the time against right handed batters, so presumably in the middle innings if Joe really needs a groundball from a right handed batter Smith is your ROOGY, while Wood or Montgomery is your LOOGY. My guess is Joe Nathan's probably not long for the world, but maybe they'll decide to do with Grimm what they're doing with Coghlan and just wait for September 1st. Their starters are going 6 or 7 pretty regularly and they have the Strop/Rondon/Chapman trio for save situations so my guess is they don't think there will even be that many opportunities for Smith or Grimm to fuck things up.
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Re: The 2016 Cubs: SPLOOGE SPLOOGE SPLOOGE
« Reply #792 on: August 02, 2016, 08:32:00 AM »
Quote from: SKO on August 02, 2016, 08:23:23 AM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on August 02, 2016, 08:09:08 AM
Seriously though, why is Coghlan up and La Stella in Iowa? It just doesn't make any sense. Also, where does Joe Smith fit in? That seems like a strange move. Now Justin Grimm is even more blocked? Then there's Jorge...

I'm just a little weirded out by the roster decisions lately.

Coghlan is up and La Stella is in Iowa because they want the outfield "depth" (if you can call rostering the worst outfielder in the majors depth) and La Stella had an option left and they figure they can get by for a month before the rosters expand. I don't agree with it either but there's some logic to it.

Joe Smith has been very good against right handed batters in his career and he gets groundballs 60% of the time against right handed batters, so presumably in the middle innings if Joe really needs a groundball from a right handed batter Smith is your ROOGY, while Wood or Montgomery is your LOOGY. My guess is Joe Nathan's probably not long for the world, but maybe they'll decide to do with Grimm what they're doing with Coghlan and just wait for September 1st. Their starters are going 6 or 7 pretty regularly and they have the Strop/Rondon/Chapman trio for save situations so my guess is they don't think there will even be that many opportunities for Smith or Grimm to fuck things up.

Is Cahill getting stretched out in Iowa? I'm thinking Joe will want to try giving the starters more of a blow down the stretch as long as it doesn't fuck with them getting home field (and only having to face one of San Francisco/Washington), even with the bullpen suddenly looking like a strength.

But the thing that might make Smith a better pickup than he seems to be on the surface is that sidearm/submarine pitching slot. It's going to be really fucking hard for hitters to adjust to that after seeing Jake a couple times.
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Re: The 2016 Cubs: SPLOOGE SPLOOGE SPLOOGE
« Reply #793 on: August 02, 2016, 08:42:34 AM »
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on August 02, 2016, 08:32:00 AM
Quote from: SKO on August 02, 2016, 08:23:23 AM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on August 02, 2016, 08:09:08 AM
Seriously though, why is Coghlan up and La Stella in Iowa? It just doesn't make any sense. Also, where does Joe Smith fit in? That seems like a strange move. Now Justin Grimm is even more blocked? Then there's Jorge...

I'm just a little weirded out by the roster decisions lately.

Coghlan is up and La Stella is in Iowa because they want the outfield "depth" (if you can call rostering the worst outfielder in the majors depth) and La Stella had an option left and they figure they can get by for a month before the rosters expand. I don't agree with it either but there's some logic to it.

Joe Smith has been very good against right handed batters in his career and he gets groundballs 60% of the time against right handed batters, so presumably in the middle innings if Joe really needs a groundball from a right handed batter Smith is your ROOGY, while Wood or Montgomery is your LOOGY. My guess is Joe Nathan's probably not long for the world, but maybe they'll decide to do with Grimm what they're doing with Coghlan and just wait for September 1st. Their starters are going 6 or 7 pretty regularly and they have the Strop/Rondon/Chapman trio for save situations so my guess is they don't think there will even be that many opportunities for Smith or Grimm to fuck things up.

Is Cahill getting stretched out in Iowa? I'm thinking Joe will want to try giving the starters more of a blow down the stretch as long as it doesn't fuck with them getting home field (and only having to face one of San Francisco/Washington), even with the bullpen suddenly looking like a strength.

But the thing that might make Smith a better pickup than he seems to be on the surface is that sidearm/submarine pitching slot. It's going to be really fucking hard for hitters to adjust to that after seeing Jake a couple times.

Yeah, that's what Jed said. He gives a completely different look and he gets groundballs, whereas presumably the rest of the playoff bullpen would be almost all power/strikeout guys. It's a matchup thing and they gave up nothing to get him so it's fine. If it had been their only move that would have been annoying but they did add the best closer in baseball so I think it'll work out OK. If Heyward keeps up this little streak of looking semi-competent at the plate and maybe if Soler can be as good in August/September/October as he was last year that'll be as good as any deadline addition they could have made to help the outfield.
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Re: The 2016 Cubs: SPLOOGE SPLOOGE SPLOOGE
« Reply #794 on: August 02, 2016, 08:55:41 AM »
Quote from: SKO on August 02, 2016, 08:23:23 AM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on August 02, 2016, 08:09:08 AM
Seriously though, why is Coghlan up and La Stella in Iowa? It just doesn't make any sense. Also, where does Joe Smith fit in? That seems like a strange move. Now Justin Grimm is even more blocked? Then there's Jorge...

I'm just a little weirded out by the roster decisions lately.

Coghlan is up and La Stella is in Iowa because they want the outfield "depth" (if you can call rostering the worst outfielder in the majors depth) and La Stella had an option left and they figure they can get by for a month before the rosters expand. I don't agree with it either but there's some logic to it.

Joe Smith has been very good against right handed batters in his career and he gets groundballs 60% of the time against right handed batters, so presumably in the middle innings if Joe really needs a groundball from a right handed batter Smith is your ROOGY, while Wood or Montgomery is your LOOGY. My guess is Joe Nathan's probably not long for the world, but maybe they'll decide to do with Grimm what they're doing with Coghlan and just wait for September 1st. Their starters are going 6 or 7 pretty regularly and they have the Strop/Rondon/Chapman trio for save situations so my guess is they don't think there will even be that many opportunities for Smith or Grimm to fuck things up.

I understand the logic about the options and the numbers, but what about the fact that Coghlan sucks and La Stella doesn't? Especially when it comes to baseball stuff.

If you wanted another outfielder, then keep La Stella up. That basically makes Bryant a starting outfielder (which he's been most of the season) and you get more AB's for Javy. It's not like Coghlan can defense better than anyone else. And La Stella's AB's are superior to Coghlan's. It's STRANGE, man.
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