Cubs 2017 Let's Win Two!

[Chuck to Chuck]

Fuck it, Soler, Almora, Candelario and Happ for Mike Trout.*

*yes, I know it's not enough. But if last week taught us anything, it's that no dream is too big.

I know you admitted it's not enough, but I still constantly wonder what would be enough. Maybe if you threw Schwarber into that package?

After his rehab and World Series, I'd be stunned if Schwarber isn't as untouchable as Rizzo or Bryant.

I think that's an emotional response.  I think if they get the right deal, he's definitely tradable.

I don't think GMs are as swayed by narratives as fans (at least I hope they aren't). He still doesn't have a clear position besides DH and that dings his value.

He definitely shouldn't be as untouchable as Bryant and Rizzo, who are similarly good hitters and provide plus value in every facet of the game.

Watch the CBA talks.

I think it's kind of weird that you seem to be so sure about the DH coming to the NL.  I'm not the owners want it and I don't think the PA has enough motivation to rock that boat.  I'm all for it but I think it's much more of a long shot than you think.

The PA wouldn't want 15 more DHs, who will raise the average pay MLB players? The owners don't want more offense?

I think it's a much shorter shot, no offense.

The owners don't want to replace 15 guys making $525,000 with 15 guys making $5,250,000.

[Quality Start Machine]

Fuck it, Soler, Almora, Candelario and Happ for Mike Trout.*

*yes, I know it's not enough. But if last week taught us anything, it's that no dream is too big.

I know you admitted it's not enough, but I still constantly wonder what would be enough. Maybe if you threw Schwarber into that package?

After his rehab and World Series, I'd be stunned if Schwarber isn't as untouchable as Rizzo or Bryant.

I think that's an emotional response.  I think if they get the right deal, he's definitely tradable.

I don't think GMs are as swayed by narratives as fans (at least I hope they aren't). He still doesn't have a clear position besides DH and that dings his value.

He definitely shouldn't be as untouchable as Bryant and Rizzo, who are similarly good hitters and provide plus value in every facet of the game.

Watch the CBA talks.

I think it's kind of weird that you seem to be so sure about the DH coming to the NL.  I'm not the owners want it and I don't think the PA has enough motivation to rock that boat.  I'm all for it but I think it's much more of a long shot than you think.

The PA wouldn't want 15 more DHs, who will raise the average pay MLB players? The owners don't want more offense?

I think it's a much shorter shot, no offense.

The owners don't want to replace 15 guys making $525,000 with 15 guys making $5,250,000.

25 more cents a beer covers that.

[CBStew]

Fuck it, Soler, Almora, Candelario and Happ for Mike Trout.*

*yes, I know it's not enough. But if last week taught us anything, it's that no dream is too big.

I know you admitted it's not enough, but I still constantly wonder what would be enough. Maybe if you threw Schwarber into that package?

After his rehab and World Series, I'd be stunned if Schwarber isn't as untouchable as Rizzo or Bryant.

I think that's an emotional response.  I think if they get the right deal, he's definitely tradable.

I don't think GMs are as swayed by narratives as fans (at least I hope they aren't). He still doesn't have a clear position besides DH and that dings his value.

He definitely shouldn't be as untouchable as Bryant and Rizzo, who are similarly good hitters and provide plus value in every facet of the game.

Watch the CBA talks.

I think it's kind of weird that you seem to be so sure about the DH coming to the NL.  I'm not the owners want it and I don't think the PA has enough motivation to rock that boat.  I'm all for it but I think it's much more of a long shot than you think.

I'M ALSO NOT THE OWNERS WANT IT, AND NEITHER IS MY WIFE.

Why are you shouting?

[Tonker]

Fuck it, Soler, Almora, Candelario and Happ for Mike Trout.*

*yes, I know it's not enough. But if last week taught us anything, it's that no dream is too big.

I know you admitted it's not enough, but I still constantly wonder what would be enough. Maybe if you threw Schwarber into that package?

After his rehab and World Series, I'd be stunned if Schwarber isn't as untouchable as Rizzo or Bryant.

I think that's an emotional response.  I think if they get the right deal, he's definitely tradable.

I don't think GMs are as swayed by narratives as fans (at least I hope they aren't). He still doesn't have a clear position besides DH and that dings his value.

He definitely shouldn't be as untouchable as Bryant and Rizzo, who are similarly good hitters and provide plus value in every facet of the game.

Watch the CBA talks.

I think it's kind of weird that you seem to be so sure about the DH coming to the NL.  I'm not the owners want it and I don't think the PA has enough motivation to rock that boat.  I'm all for it but I think it's much more of a long shot than you think.

I'M ALSO NOT THE OWNERS WANT IT, AND NEITHER IS MY WIFE.

Why are you shouting?

It's an important point, Stew, and one worth making loudly.

[R-V]

To Chuck's point about EJax, Hammel and Fowler coming off the books, has anyone done an estimate of what the 2017 payroll commitment looks like at the moment? Guessing it is not an easy exercise considering how many arbitration eligible guys they have...

[Quality Start Machine]

To Chuck's point about EJax, Hammel and Fowler coming off the books, has anyone done an estimate of what the 2017 payroll commitment looks like at the moment? Guessing it is not an easy exercise considering how many arbitration eligible guys they have...

This is a pretty good place to start.

ETA: Grab 2016 off the pulldown to get a handle on what guys not on long term deals made this year.

[Brownie]

To Chuck's point about EJax, Hammel and Fowler coming off the books, has anyone done an estimate of what the 2017 payroll commitment looks like at the moment? Guessing it is not an easy exercise considering how many arbitration eligible guys they have...

This is a pretty good place to start.

ETA: Grab 2016 off the pulldown to get a handle on what guys not on long term deals made this year.

This is better, no?

[PenFoe]

To Chuck's point about EJax, Hammel and Fowler coming off the books, has anyone done an estimate of what the 2017 payroll commitment looks like at the moment? Guessing it is not an easy exercise considering how many arbitration eligible guys they have...

This is a pretty good place to start.

ETA: Grab 2016 off the pulldown to get a handle on what guys not on long term deals made this year.

This is better, no?

Rizzo's deal is criminally low. 

[Chuck to Chuck]

Fuck it, Soler, Almora, Candelario and Happ for Mike Trout.*

*yes, I know it's not enough. But if last week taught us anything, it's that no dream is too big.

I know you admitted it's not enough, but I still constantly wonder what would be enough. Maybe if you threw Schwarber into that package?

After his rehab and World Series, I'd be stunned if Schwarber isn't as untouchable as Rizzo or Bryant.

I think that's an emotional response.  I think if they get the right deal, he's definitely tradable.

I don't think GMs are as swayed by narratives as fans (at least I hope they aren't). He still doesn't have a clear position besides DH and that dings his value.

He definitely shouldn't be as untouchable as Bryant and Rizzo, who are similarly good hitters and provide plus value in every facet of the game.

Watch the CBA talks.

I think it's kind of weird that you seem to be so sure about the DH coming to the NL.  I'm not the owners want it and I don't think the PA has enough motivation to rock that boat.  I'm all for it but I think it's much more of a long shot than you think.

The PA wouldn't want 15 more DHs, who will raise the average pay MLB players? The owners don't want more offense?

I think it's a much shorter shot, no offense.

The owners don't want to replace 15 guys making $525,000 with 15 guys making $5,250,000.

25 more cents a beer covers that.

If only that's how elasticity of supply and demand worked.

[Chuck to Chuck]

To Chuck's point about EJax, Hammel and Fowler coming off the books, has anyone done an estimate of what the 2017 payroll commitment looks like at the moment? Guessing it is not an easy exercise considering how many arbitration eligible guys they have...

This is a pretty good place to start.

ETA: Grab 2016 off the pulldown to get a handle on what guys not on long term deals made this year.

This is better, no?

Rizzo's deal is criminally low. 

And they have another $30mm rolling off after 2017 in Lackey and Montero. Theo can be my CFO any time he wants.

[Saul Goodman]

The first poaching from the Cubs front office has taken place: Jared Porter, Director of Pro Scouting, will leave for Arizona per a report paraphrased on MLBTR. For the Dbacks he will be Senior Vice President and Assistant General Manager, along with Coordinator of Giving Tony La Russa Something to Do and Ignoring Anything He Says.

Could result in a promotion for Pro Scouting Coordinator Andrew Bassett. Porter was only here for a year after being hired from the Red Sox last year (in August/September).

[R-V]

Cobbling together from a few different sources, if the Cubs stand pat and fill out the 25-man with guys already on the roster, I'm seeing an Opening Day payroll of about $148 M. This is almost $25 M less than 2016, so I would assume there's a decent amount of cushion to add a guy or two, unless they are doing the old Tanaka sock-away for Bryant, Russell etc. contracts.

TC = team control, I'm assuming a 525k minimum salary (I'm seeing 507k for 2016)
A = arbitration, I'm going off the estimates Bleacher Nation shared today

I know next to nothing about how team control and arbitration work so it's quite possible most of these numbers are completely wrong.

[Saul Goodman]

Cobbling together from a few different sources, if the Cubs stand pat and fill out the 25-man with guys already on the roster, I'm seeing an Opening Day payroll of about $148 M. This is almost $25 M less than 2016, so I would assume there's a decent amount of cushion to add a guy or two, unless they are doing the old Tanaka sock-away for Bryant, Russell etc. contracts.

TC = team control, I'm assuming a 525k minimum salary (I'm seeing 507k for 2016)
A = arbitration, I'm going off the estimates Bleacher Nation shared today

I know next to nothing about how team control and arbitration work so it's quite possible most of these numbers are completely wrong.

Pretty sure they gave Bryant a raise even though they could have renewed him at 2015 levels. I'd expect them to do the same again this year.

Edit: Yep. Bryant was renewed at $652,000 for 2016.

[SKO]

Cobbling together from a few different sources, if the Cubs stand pat and fill out the 25-man with guys already on the roster, I'm seeing an Opening Day payroll of about $148 M. This is almost $25 M less than 2016, so I would assume there's a decent amount of cushion to add a guy or two, unless they are doing the old Tanaka sock-away for Bryant, Russell etc. contracts.

TC = team control, I'm assuming a 525k minimum salary (I'm seeing 507k for 2016)
A = arbitration, I'm going off the estimates Bleacher Nation shared today

I know next to nothing about how team control and arbitration work so it's quite possible most of these numbers are completely wrong.

Zac Rosscup is still on the roster? Lol. I'm sure someone's gonna offer Dexter 4-5 years and he's gone but man, given that they don't have many needs and there's not much worth buying on this market anyway I wonder how he'd feel just getting like 2 years, 50 million. They could afford to do it.

[Quality Start Machine]

Cobbling together from a few different sources, if the Cubs stand pat and fill out the 25-man with guys already on the roster, I'm seeing an Opening Day payroll of about $148 M. This is almost $25 M less than 2016, so I would assume there's a decent amount of cushion to add a guy or two, unless they are doing the old Tanaka sock-away for Bryant, Russell etc. contracts.

TC = team control, I'm assuming a 525k minimum salary (I'm seeing 507k for 2016)
A = arbitration, I'm going off the estimates Bleacher Nation shared today

I know next to nothing about how team control and arbitration work so it's quite possible most of these numbers are completely wrong.

Zac Rosscup is still on the roster? Lol. I'm sure someone's gonna offer Dexter 4-5 years and he's gone but man, given that they don't have many needs and there's not much worth buying on this market anyway I wonder how he'd feel just getting like 2 years, 50 million. They could afford to do it.

If they paid 25/per for Fowler, what's the starting point for talks with Bryant?