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Re: Cubs 2017 Let's Win Two!
« Reply #105 on: February 03, 2017, 08:15:59 AM »
Quote from: WTB...A RING FFS!! on February 03, 2017, 02:25:09 AM
What % of these reclamation projects turn into gold for the Cubs? Or at least good enough to be traded for big upgrades, Theo/Jed haven't missed on much in this category, and most have somehow turned platinum in some way from either Arrieta beign a stud or these 1st-half wonders turned into major prospects. There's also a reason we call Bosio the Wizard as under his watch we've turned people into studs.

I think that, in a lifetime, turning one turd into Jake Arrieta is about the best anyone team could ever possibly hope for.  I'm not saying they shouldn't try but I'm not exactly counting on anything coming from Eddie Butler.

If he turns into a useful #4, that would be a major win.

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Re: Cubs 2017 Let's Win Two!
« Reply #106 on: February 03, 2017, 10:16:36 AM »
Quote from: Oleg on February 03, 2017, 08:15:59 AM
Quote from: WTB...A RING FFS!! on February 03, 2017, 02:25:09 AM
What % of these reclamation projects turn into gold for the Cubs? Or at least good enough to be traded for big upgrades, Theo/Jed haven't missed on much in this category, and most have somehow turned platinum in some way from either Arrieta beign a stud or these 1st-half wonders turned into major prospects. There's also a reason we call Bosio the Wizard as under his watch we've turned people into studs.

I think that, in a lifetime, turning one turd into Jake Arrieta is about the best anyone team could ever possibly hope for.  I'm not saying they shouldn't try but I'm not exactly counting on anything coming from Eddie Butler.

If he turns into a useful #4, that would be a major win.

Even outside of Jake, they're gotten decent to very good "unexpected" value (in performance and/or return) from:
Hammel
Strop
Feldman
Wood (he's certainly been better than Marshall)
Rondon
Cahill

I'm sure they're are more.
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Re: Cubs 2017 Let's Win Two!
« Reply #107 on: February 03, 2017, 11:06:16 AM »
Quote from: PenFoe on February 03, 2017, 10:16:36 AM
Quote from: Oleg on February 03, 2017, 08:15:59 AM
Quote from: WTB...A RING FFS!! on February 03, 2017, 02:25:09 AM
What % of these reclamation projects turn into gold for the Cubs? Or at least good enough to be traded for big upgrades, Theo/Jed haven't missed on much in this category, and most have somehow turned platinum in some way from either Arrieta beign a stud or these 1st-half wonders turned into major prospects. There's also a reason we call Bosio the Wizard as under his watch we've turned people into studs.

I think that, in a lifetime, turning one turd into Jake Arrieta is about the best anyone team could ever possibly hope for.  I'm not saying they shouldn't try but I'm not exactly counting on anything coming from Eddie Butler.

If he turns into a useful #4, that would be a major win.

Even outside of Jake, they're gotten decent to very good "unexpected" value (in performance and/or return) from:
Hammel
Strop
Feldman
Wood (he's certainly been better than Marshall)
Rondon
Cahill

I'm sure they're are more.

The whole they're are? To be fair to Marshall, it's easy to be better than someone who's been hurt pretty much this whole time.
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Re: Cubs 2017 Let's Win Two!
« Reply #108 on: February 03, 2017, 03:08:02 PM »
Quote from: Oleg on February 03, 2017, 08:15:59 AM
Quote from: WTB...A RING FFS!! on February 03, 2017, 02:25:09 AM
What % of these reclamation projects turn into gold for the Cubs? Or at least good enough to be traded for big upgrades, Theo/Jed haven't missed on much in this category, and most have somehow turned platinum in some way from either Arrieta beign a stud or these 1st-half wonders turned into major prospects. There's also a reason we call Bosio the Wizard as under his watch we've turned people into studs.

I think that, in a lifetime, turning one turd into Jake Arrieta is about the best anyone team could ever possibly hope for.  I'm not saying they shouldn't try but I'm not exactly counting on anything coming from Eddie Butler.

If he turns into a useful #4, that would be a major win.

I'm really hoping this doesn't mean Montgomery is going to sit in the pen all year. Because I've been fapping at the thought of his carrying last year's 58% GB rate for 6-7 innings at a time all winter.
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Re: Cubs 2017 Let's Win Two!
« Reply #109 on: February 03, 2017, 03:39:53 PM »
Quote from: Saul Goodman on February 03, 2017, 11:06:16 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on February 03, 2017, 10:16:36 AM
Quote from: Oleg on February 03, 2017, 08:15:59 AM
Quote from: WTB...A RING FFS!! on February 03, 2017, 02:25:09 AM
What % of these reclamation projects turn into gold for the Cubs? Or at least good enough to be traded for big upgrades, Theo/Jed haven't missed on much in this category, and most have somehow turned platinum in some way from either Arrieta beign a stud or these 1st-half wonders turned into major prospects. There's also a reason we call Bosio the Wizard as under his watch we've turned people into studs.

I think that, in a lifetime, turning one turd into Jake Arrieta is about the best anyone team could ever possibly hope for.  I'm not saying they shouldn't try but I'm not exactly counting on anything coming from Eddie Butler.

If he turns into a useful #4, that would be a major win.

Even outside of Jake, they're gotten decent to very good "unexpected" value (in performance and/or return) from:
Hammel
Strop
Feldman
Wood (he's certainly been better than Marshall)
Rondon
Cahill

I'm sure they're are more.

The whole they're are? To be fair to Marshall, it's easy to be better than someone who's been hurt pretty much this whole time.

I'd say Wood-for-Marshall is hardly "certainly" in Wood's favor.  Marshall was an All-Star reliever for a competitive contender.  Wood was an All-Star for a shitty team and a useful, contributing factor to a World Championship.  I'd say that one's a wash, on balance.
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Re: Cubs 2017 Let's Win Two!
« Reply #110 on: February 03, 2017, 03:51:20 PM »
Quote from: Cannonball Titcomb on February 03, 2017, 03:39:53 PM
Quote from: Saul Goodman on February 03, 2017, 11:06:16 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on February 03, 2017, 10:16:36 AM
Quote from: Oleg on February 03, 2017, 08:15:59 AM
Quote from: WTB...A RING FFS!! on February 03, 2017, 02:25:09 AM
What % of these reclamation projects turn into gold for the Cubs? Or at least good enough to be traded for big upgrades, Theo/Jed haven't missed on much in this category, and most have somehow turned platinum in some way from either Arrieta beign a stud or these 1st-half wonders turned into major prospects. There's also a reason we call Bosio the Wizard as under his watch we've turned people into studs.

I think that, in a lifetime, turning one turd into Jake Arrieta is about the best anyone team could ever possibly hope for.  I'm not saying they shouldn't try but I'm not exactly counting on anything coming from Eddie Butler.

If he turns into a useful #4, that would be a major win.

Even outside of Jake, they're gotten decent to very good "unexpected" value (in performance and/or return) from:
Hammel
Strop
Feldman
Wood (he's certainly been better than Marshall)
Rondon
Cahill

I'm sure they're are more.

The whole they're are? To be fair to Marshall, it's easy to be better than someone who's been hurt pretty much this whole time.

I'd say Wood-for-Marshall is hardly "certainly" in Wood's favor.  Marshall was an All-Star reliever for a competitive contender.  Wood was an All-Star for a shitty team and a useful, contributing factor to a World Championship.  I'd say that one's a wash, on balance.

The trade was a win for the Cubs because they traded a lefty reliever they didn't need right then for a lefty reliever whose prime years would coincide with when they were actually good again, but whether that means Wood provided more or less value than expected, I dunno. He's given the Cubs almost 700 innings of exactly league average pitching (99 ERA+), which is more or less what I think people figured he might be when they got him. A league average left handed pitcher who might be more than average as a LOOGY on a contender someday. I don't know if he counts as a feather in Bosio's cap or not.

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Re: Cubs 2017 Let's Win Two!
« Reply #111 on: February 03, 2017, 04:18:04 PM »
Quote from: SKO on February 03, 2017, 03:51:20 PM
Quote from: Cannonball Titcomb on February 03, 2017, 03:39:53 PM
Quote from: Saul Goodman on February 03, 2017, 11:06:16 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on February 03, 2017, 10:16:36 AM
Quote from: Oleg on February 03, 2017, 08:15:59 AM
Quote from: WTB...A RING FFS!! on February 03, 2017, 02:25:09 AM
What % of these reclamation projects turn into gold for the Cubs? Or at least good enough to be traded for big upgrades, Theo/Jed haven't missed on much in this category, and most have somehow turned platinum in some way from either Arrieta beign a stud or these 1st-half wonders turned into major prospects. There's also a reason we call Bosio the Wizard as under his watch we've turned people into studs.

I think that, in a lifetime, turning one turd into Jake Arrieta is about the best anyone team could ever possibly hope for.  I'm not saying they shouldn't try but I'm not exactly counting on anything coming from Eddie Butler.

If he turns into a useful #4, that would be a major win.

Even outside of Jake, they're gotten decent to very good "unexpected" value (in performance and/or return) from:
Hammel
Strop
Feldman
Wood (he's certainly been better than Marshall)
Rondon
Cahill

I'm sure they're are more.

The whole they're are? To be fair to Marshall, it's easy to be better than someone who's been hurt pretty much this whole time.

I'd say Wood-for-Marshall is hardly "certainly" in Wood's favor.  Marshall was an All-Star reliever for a competitive contender.  Wood was an All-Star for a shitty team and a useful, contributing factor to a World Championship.  I'd say that one's a wash, on balance.

The trade was a win for the Cubs because they traded a lefty reliever they didn't need right then for a lefty reliever whose prime years would coincide with when they were actually good again, but whether that means Wood provided more or less value than expected, I dunno. He's given the Cubs almost 700 innings of exactly league average pitching (99 ERA+), which is more or less what I think people figured he might be when they got him. A league average left handed pitcher who might be more than average as a LOOGY on a contender someday. I don't know if he counts as a feather in Bosio's cap or not.



Yeah that's a good point.  Also, I guess the Cubs winning the World Series with a seasoned Wood is a win over the Reds dealing a raw Wood for an in-his-prime SeanBearPig but winning bupkus.  

I enjoy having these conversations, by the way, because they involve the factual words "Cubs winning the World Series"
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Re: Cubs 2017 Let's Win Two!
« Reply #112 on: February 03, 2017, 04:56:41 PM »
Quote from: Cannonball Titcomb on February 03, 2017, 04:18:04 PM
Quote from: SKO on February 03, 2017, 03:51:20 PM
Quote from: Cannonball Titcomb on February 03, 2017, 03:39:53 PM
Quote from: Saul Goodman on February 03, 2017, 11:06:16 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on February 03, 2017, 10:16:36 AM
Quote from: Oleg on February 03, 2017, 08:15:59 AM
Quote from: WTB...A RING FFS!! on February 03, 2017, 02:25:09 AM
What % of these reclamation projects turn into gold for the Cubs? Or at least good enough to be traded for big upgrades, Theo/Jed haven't missed on much in this category, and most have somehow turned platinum in some way from either Arrieta beign a stud or these 1st-half wonders turned into major prospects. There's also a reason we call Bosio the Wizard as under his watch we've turned people into studs.

I think that, in a lifetime, turning one turd into Jake Arrieta is about the best anyone team could ever possibly hope for.  I'm not saying they shouldn't try but I'm not exactly counting on anything coming from Eddie Butler.

If he turns into a useful #4, that would be a major win.

Even outside of Jake, they're gotten decent to very good "unexpected" value (in performance and/or return) from:
Hammel
Strop
Feldman
Wood (he's certainly been better than Marshall)
Rondon
Cahill

I'm sure they're are more.

The whole they're are? To be fair to Marshall, it's easy to be better than someone who's been hurt pretty much this whole time.

I'd say Wood-for-Marshall is hardly "certainly" in Wood's favor.  Marshall was an All-Star reliever for a competitive contender.  Wood was an All-Star for a shitty team and a useful, contributing factor to a World Championship.  I'd say that one's a wash, on balance.

The trade was a win for the Cubs because they traded a lefty reliever they didn't need right then for a lefty reliever whose prime years would coincide with when they were actually good again, but whether that means Wood provided more or less value than expected, I dunno. He's given the Cubs almost 700 innings of exactly league average pitching (99 ERA+), which is more or less what I think people figured he might be when they got him. A league average left handed pitcher who might be more than average as a LOOGY on a contender someday. I don't know if he counts as a feather in Bosio's cap or not.



Yeah that's a good point.  Also, I guess the Cubs winning the World Series with a seasoned Wood is a win over the Reds dealing a raw Wood for an in-his-prime SeanBearPig but winning bupkus.  

I enjoy having these conversations, by the way, because they involve the factual words "Cubs winning the World Series"

There was certainly some hand-wringing when Marshall was traded for Wood. 
Wood doesn't qualify as a reclamation project, but he's certainly been far more valuable to the Cubs than Marshall has been to the Reds.
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Re: Cubs 2017 Let's Win Two!
« Reply #113 on: February 03, 2017, 07:04:04 PM »
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on February 03, 2017, 03:08:02 PM
Quote from: Oleg on February 03, 2017, 08:15:59 AM
Quote from: WTB...A RING FFS!! on February 03, 2017, 02:25:09 AM
What % of these reclamation projects turn into gold for the Cubs? Or at least good enough to be traded for big upgrades, Theo/Jed haven't missed on much in this category, and most have somehow turned platinum in some way from either Arrieta beign a stud or these 1st-half wonders turned into major prospects. There's also a reason we call Bosio the Wizard as under his watch we've turned people into studs.

I think that, in a lifetime, turning one turd into Jake Arrieta is about the best anyone team could ever possibly hope for.  I'm not saying they shouldn't try but I'm not exactly counting on anything coming from Eddie Butler.

If he turns into a useful #4, that would be a major win.

I'm really hoping this doesn't mean Montgomery is going to sit in the pen all year. Because I've been fapping at the thought of his carrying last year's 58% GB rate for 6-7 innings at a time all winter.

In reverse order and excluding last year's 11 innings, Anderson's GB% has been 66.3, 61.0, 62.9, and 59.8.

And only one of those is more than 50 IP (180 in 2015_, so Montgomery should get plenty of opportunities.

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Re: Cubs 2017 Let's Win Two!
« Reply #114 on: February 03, 2017, 07:24:41 PM »
Quote from: PenFoe on February 03, 2017, 04:56:41 PM
Quote from: Cannonball Titcomb on February 03, 2017, 04:18:04 PM
Quote from: SKO on February 03, 2017, 03:51:20 PM
Quote from: Cannonball Titcomb on February 03, 2017, 03:39:53 PM
Quote from: Saul Goodman on February 03, 2017, 11:06:16 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on February 03, 2017, 10:16:36 AM
Quote from: Oleg on February 03, 2017, 08:15:59 AM
Quote from: WTB...A RING FFS!! on February 03, 2017, 02:25:09 AM
What % of these reclamation projects turn into gold for the Cubs? Or at least good enough to be traded for big upgrades, Theo/Jed haven't missed on much in this category, and most have somehow turned platinum in some way from either Arrieta beign a stud or these 1st-half wonders turned into major prospects. There's also a reason we call Bosio the Wizard as under his watch we've turned people into studs.

I think that, in a lifetime, turning one turd into Jake Arrieta is about the best anyone team could ever possibly hope for.  I'm not saying they shouldn't try but I'm not exactly counting on anything coming from Eddie Butler.

If he turns into a useful #4, that would be a major win.

Even outside of Jake, they're gotten decent to very good "unexpected" value (in performance and/or return) from:
Hammel
Strop
Feldman
Wood (he's certainly been better than Marshall)
Rondon
Cahill

I'm sure they're are more.

The whole they're are? To be fair to Marshall, it's easy to be better than someone who's been hurt pretty much this whole time.

I'd say Wood-for-Marshall is hardly "certainly" in Wood's favor.  Marshall was an All-Star reliever for a competitive contender.  Wood was an All-Star for a shitty team and a useful, contributing factor to a World Championship.  I'd say that one's a wash, on balance.

The trade was a win for the Cubs because they traded a lefty reliever they didn't need right then for a lefty reliever whose prime years would coincide with when they were actually good again, but whether that means Wood provided more or less value than expected, I dunno. He's given the Cubs almost 700 innings of exactly league average pitching (99 ERA+), which is more or less what I think people figured he might be when they got him. A league average left handed pitcher who might be more than average as a LOOGY on a contender someday. I don't know if he counts as a feather in Bosio's cap or not.



Yeah that's a good point.  Also, I guess the Cubs winning the World Series with a seasoned Wood is a win over the Reds dealing a raw Wood for an in-his-prime SeanBearPig but winning bupkus.  

I enjoy having these conversations, by the way, because they involve the factual words "Cubs winning the World Series"

There was certainly some hand-wringing when Marshall was traded for Wood. 
Wood doesn't qualify as a reclamation project, but he's certainly been far more valuable to the Cubs than Marshall has been to the Reds.

Yea, and that trade gave us "Epstink is Terrible" so it depends on how you feel about that contribution

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Re: Cubs 2017 Let's Win Two!
« Reply #115 on: February 03, 2017, 07:56:40 PM »
Quote from: Cannonball Titcomb on February 03, 2017, 03:39:53 PM
Quote from: Saul Goodman on February 03, 2017, 11:06:16 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on February 03, 2017, 10:16:36 AM
Quote from: Oleg on February 03, 2017, 08:15:59 AM
Quote from: WTB...A RING FFS!! on February 03, 2017, 02:25:09 AM
What % of these reclamation projects turn into gold for the Cubs? Or at least good enough to be traded for big upgrades, Theo/Jed haven't missed on much in this category, and most have somehow turned platinum in some way from either Arrieta beign a stud or these 1st-half wonders turned into major prospects. There's also a reason we call Bosio the Wizard as under his watch we've turned people into studs.

I think that, in a lifetime, turning one turd into Jake Arrieta is about the best anyone team could ever possibly hope for.  I'm not saying they shouldn't try but I'm not exactly counting on anything coming from Eddie Butler.

If he turns into a useful #4, that would be a major win.

Even outside of Jake, they're gotten decent to very good "unexpected" value (in performance and/or return) from:
Hammel
Strop
Feldman
Wood (he's certainly been better than Marshall)
Rondon
Cahill

I'm sure they're are more.

The whole they're are? To be fair to Marshall, it's easy to be better than someone who's been hurt pretty much this whole time.

I'd say Wood-for-Marshall is hardly "certainly" in Wood's favor.  Marshall was an All-Star reliever for a competitive contender.  Wood was an All-Star for a shitty team and a useful, contributing factor to a World Championship.  I'd say that one's a wash, on balance.

Flags fly forever.  Wood is awesome and a much better hitter than Marshall.  Marshall wasn't even that cool.  Forget about Marshall, would ya?  Wood.  Wood for the win.  Geez.
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Re: Cubs 2017 Let's Win Two!
« Reply #116 on: February 03, 2017, 08:36:55 PM »
Quote from: JD on February 03, 2017, 07:56:40 PM
Quote from: Cannonball Titcomb on February 03, 2017, 03:39:53 PM
Quote from: Saul Goodman on February 03, 2017, 11:06:16 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on February 03, 2017, 10:16:36 AM
Quote from: Oleg on February 03, 2017, 08:15:59 AM
Quote from: WTB...A RING FFS!! on February 03, 2017, 02:25:09 AM
What % of these reclamation projects turn into gold for the Cubs? Or at least good enough to be traded for big upgrades, Theo/Jed haven't missed on much in this category, and most have somehow turned platinum in some way from either Arrieta beign a stud or these 1st-half wonders turned into major prospects. There's also a reason we call Bosio the Wizard as under his watch we've turned people into studs.

I think that, in a lifetime, turning one turd into Jake Arrieta is about the best anyone team could ever possibly hope for.  I'm not saying they shouldn't try but I'm not exactly counting on anything coming from Eddie Butler.

If he turns into a useful #4, that would be a major win.

Even outside of Jake, they're gotten decent to very good "unexpected" value (in performance and/or return) from:
Hammel
Strop
Feldman
Wood (he's certainly been better than Marshall)
Rondon
Cahill

I'm sure they're are more.

The whole they're are? To be fair to Marshall, it's easy to be better than someone who's been hurt pretty much this whole time.

I'd say Wood-for-Marshall is hardly "certainly" in Wood's favor.  Marshall was an All-Star reliever for a competitive contender.  Wood was an All-Star for a shitty team and a useful, contributing factor to a World Championship.  I'd say that one's a wash, on balance.

Flags fly forever.  Wood is awesome and a much better hitter than Marshall.  Marshall wasn't even that cool.  Forget about Marshall, would ya?  Wood.  Wood for the win.  Geez.

Hey, JD.

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Re: Cubs 2017 Let's Win Two!
« Reply #117 on: February 03, 2017, 09:59:42 PM »
Quote from: Eli on February 03, 2017, 08:36:55 PM
Quote from: JD on February 03, 2017, 07:56:40 PM
Quote from: Cannonball Titcomb on February 03, 2017, 03:39:53 PM
Quote from: Saul Goodman on February 03, 2017, 11:06:16 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on February 03, 2017, 10:16:36 AM
Quote from: Oleg on February 03, 2017, 08:15:59 AM
Quote from: WTB...A RING FFS!! on February 03, 2017, 02:25:09 AM
What % of these reclamation projects turn into gold for the Cubs? Or at least good enough to be traded for big upgrades, Theo/Jed haven't missed on much in this category, and most have somehow turned platinum in some way from either Arrieta beign a stud or these 1st-half wonders turned into major prospects. There's also a reason we call Bosio the Wizard as under his watch we've turned people into studs.

I think that, in a lifetime, turning one turd into Jake Arrieta is about the best anyone team could ever possibly hope for.  I'm not saying they shouldn't try but I'm not exactly counting on anything coming from Eddie Butler.

If he turns into a useful #4, that would be a major win.

Even outside of Jake, they're gotten decent to very good "unexpected" value (in performance and/or return) from:
Hammel
Strop
Feldman
Wood (he's certainly been better than Marshall)
Rondon
Cahill

I'm sure they're are more.

The whole they're are? To be fair to Marshall, it's easy to be better than someone who's been hurt pretty much this whole time.

I'd say Wood-for-Marshall is hardly "certainly" in Wood's favor.  Marshall was an All-Star reliever for a competitive contender.  Wood was an All-Star for a shitty team and a useful, contributing factor to a World Championship.  I'd say that one's a wash, on balance.

Flags fly forever.  Wood is awesome and a much better hitter than Marshall.  Marshall wasn't even that cool.  Forget about Marshall, would ya?  Wood.  Wood for the win.  Geez.

Hey, JD.

Sup, bro.  You hear that Pen is messing with the setting in the fantasy baseball league? 
Can you help me live a little more?  I expect good news.

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Re: Cubs 2017 Let's Win Two!
« Reply #118 on: February 03, 2017, 10:56:56 PM »
Quote from: JD on February 03, 2017, 09:59:42 PM
Quote from: Eli on February 03, 2017, 08:36:55 PM
Quote from: JD on February 03, 2017, 07:56:40 PM
Quote from: Cannonball Titcomb on February 03, 2017, 03:39:53 PM
Quote from: Saul Goodman on February 03, 2017, 11:06:16 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on February 03, 2017, 10:16:36 AM
Quote from: Oleg on February 03, 2017, 08:15:59 AM
Quote from: WTB...A RING FFS!! on February 03, 2017, 02:25:09 AM
What % of these reclamation projects turn into gold for the Cubs? Or at least good enough to be traded for big upgrades, Theo/Jed haven't missed on much in this category, and most have somehow turned platinum in some way from either Arrieta beign a stud or these 1st-half wonders turned into major prospects. There's also a reason we call Bosio the Wizard as under his watch we've turned people into studs.

I think that, in a lifetime, turning one turd into Jake Arrieta is about the best anyone team could ever possibly hope for.  I'm not saying they shouldn't try but I'm not exactly counting on anything coming from Eddie Butler.

If he turns into a useful #4, that would be a major win.

Even outside of Jake, they're gotten decent to very good "unexpected" value (in performance and/or return) from:
Hammel
Strop
Feldman
Wood (he's certainly been better than Marshall)
Rondon
Cahill

I'm sure they're are more.

The whole they're are? To be fair to Marshall, it's easy to be better than someone who's been hurt pretty much this whole time.

I'd say Wood-for-Marshall is hardly "certainly" in Wood's favor.  Marshall was an All-Star reliever for a competitive contender.  Wood was an All-Star for a shitty team and a useful, contributing factor to a World Championship.  I'd say that one's a wash, on balance.

Flags fly forever.  Wood is awesome and a much better hitter than Marshall.  Marshall wasn't even that cool.  Forget about Marshall, would ya?  Wood.  Wood for the win.  Geez.

Hey, JD.

Sup, bro.  You hear that Pen is messing with the setting in the fantasy baseball league? 
He's making fantasy baseball great again.

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Re: Cubs 2017 Let's Win Two!
« Reply #119 on: February 04, 2017, 10:47:44 AM »
Quote from: Shooter on February 03, 2017, 10:56:56 PM
Quote from: JD on February 03, 2017, 09:59:42 PM
Quote from: Eli on February 03, 2017, 08:36:55 PM
Quote from: JD on February 03, 2017, 07:56:40 PM
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What % of these reclamation projects turn into gold for the Cubs? Or at least good enough to be traded for big upgrades, Theo/Jed haven't missed on much in this category, and most have somehow turned platinum in some way from either Arrieta beign a stud or these 1st-half wonders turned into major prospects. There's also a reason we call Bosio the Wizard as under his watch we've turned people into studs.

I think that, in a lifetime, turning one turd into Jake Arrieta is about the best anyone team could ever possibly hope for.  I'm not saying they shouldn't try but I'm not exactly counting on anything coming from Eddie Butler.

If he turns into a useful #4, that would be a major win.

Even outside of Jake, they're gotten decent to very good "unexpected" value (in performance and/or return) from:
Hammel
Strop
Feldman
Wood (he's certainly been better than Marshall)
Rondon
Cahill

I'm sure they're are more.

The whole they're are? To be fair to Marshall, it's easy to be better than someone who's been hurt pretty much this whole time.

I'd say Wood-for-Marshall is hardly "certainly" in Wood's favor.  Marshall was an All-Star reliever for a competitive contender.  Wood was an All-Star for a shitty team and a useful, contributing factor to a World Championship.  I'd say that one's a wash, on balance.

Flags fly forever.  Wood is awesome and a much better hitter than Marshall.  Marshall wasn't even that cool.  Forget about Marshall, would ya?  Wood.  Wood for the win.  Geez.

Hey, JD.

Sup, bro.  You hear that Pen is messing with the setting in the fantasy baseball league? 
He's making fantasy baseball great again.

Not my commissioner!
Can you help me live a little more?  I expect good news.