2017-2018 Cubs/MLB Offseason: HOT FUCKING STOVE

[World's #1 Astros Fan]

Anyone interested in Hoystein righting the wrong that was the Anthony Rizzo trade and signing Ca$hner for #3-#5?

[SKO]

Anyone interested in Hoystein righting the wrong that was the Anthony Rizzo trade and signing Ca$hner for #3-#5?

No. Injury prone, his ERA was way below his FIP, his K rate has absolutely fucking plummeted. 4.6 K/9 in this era? No fucking way he's posting an ERA under 4.00 again if he can't figure out a way to start missing bats again.

[Saul Goodman]

Anyone interested in Hoystein righting the wrong that was the Anthony Rizzo trade and signing Ca$hner for #3-#5?

No. Injury prone, his ERA was way below his FIP, his K rate has absolutely fucking plummeted. 4.6 K/9 in this era? No fucking way he's posting an ERA under 4.00 again if he can't figure out a way to start missing bats again.

For the bullpen, I might be interested. As a starter, no thanks.

[Oleg]

Anyone interested in Hoystein righting the wrong that was the Anthony Rizzo trade and signing Ca$hner for #3-#5?

I'd rather they take a chance on Alex Cobb.  Although I'd also do a happy dance if I see a trade for one of the two better Rays starters out there.

[SKO]

Anyone interested in Hoystein righting the wrong that was the Anthony Rizzo trade and signing Ca$hner for #3-#5?

I'd rather they take a chance on Alex Cobb.  Although I'd also do a happy dance if I see a trade for one of the two better Rays starters out there.

The Cobb signing would make a lot of sense

[Quality Start Machine]

Anyone interested in Hoystein righting the wrong that was the Anthony Rizzo trade and signing Ca$hner for #3-#5?

Just put Montgomery in the rotation, since he'd be there during Cashner's DL stints anyway.

[World's #1 Astros Fan]

Anyone interested in Hoystein righting the wrong that was the Anthony Rizzo trade and signing Ca$hner for #3-#5?

Just put Montgomery in the rotation, since he'd be there during Cashner's DL stints anyway.

Not going to argue about Cashner's metrics, but I will say the idea of him being injury-prone might be more meme than fact.  He's averaged over 150 IP over the last 5 seasons.  In two of those seasons--2014 & 2016 when he threw 123 1/3 & 132 innings, respectively-- I'm guessing he was sidelined for a few weeks with an injury but I don't know that 2 DL stints in 5 years marks a guy as injury-prone.  I mean Kyle Hendricks, Jake Arrieta and even Jon Lester lost a month of baseball this year.

[SKO]

Anyone interested in Hoystein righting the wrong that was the Anthony Rizzo trade and signing Ca$hner for #3-#5?

Just put Montgomery in the rotation, since he'd be there during Cashner's DL stints anyway.

Not going to argue about Cashner's metrics, but I will say the idea of him being injury-prone might be more meme than fact.  He's averaged over 150 IP over the last 5 seasons.  In two of those seasons--2014 & 2016 when he threw 123 1/3 & 132 innings, respectively-- I'm guessing he was sidelined for a few weeks with an injury but I don't know that 2 DL stints in 5 years marks a guy as injury-prone.  I mean Kyle Hendricks, Jake Arrieta and even Jon Lester lost a month of baseball this year.

That's fair, but his velocity is way down from his peak and he can't strike anybody out, and he doesn't get anywhere near as many groundballs as a dude that strikes out that number of people should get. To be honest I can't see him being an effective reliever either unless it really ups his velocity. He reminds me of when Mat Latos had that hot start for the White Sox last year that was just luck, only his luck ran out in May and Cashner's seems to have made it all year.

[Oleg]

Crazy Rumor Guys predict Darvish to the Cubs and the bullpen getting Reed and McGee.  I wouldn't hate that, assuming they can add another controllable starter.

And, Arrieta to the Brewers.

[Quality Start Machine]

Crazy Rumor Guys predict Darvish to the Cubs and the bullpen getting Reed and McGee.  I wouldn't hate that, assuming they can add another controllable starter.

And, Arrieta to the Brewers.

Where the fuck are the Brewers going to come up with that much money?

And looking at those numbers, Cobb is a better pickup for the Cubs than Darvish.

[Hoyas]

Crazy Rumor Guys predict Darvish to the Cubs and the bullpen getting Reed and McGee.  I wouldn't hate that, assuming they can add another controllable starter.

And, Arrieta to the Brewers.

I'd rather have Jake at 4/100 than Darvish at 6/165.

[Saul Goodman]

Anyone interested in Hoystein righting the wrong that was the Anthony Rizzo trade and signing Ca$hner for #3-#5?

Just put Montgomery in the rotation, since he'd be there during Cashner's DL stints anyway.

Not going to argue about Cashner's metrics, but I will say the idea of him being injury-prone might be more meme than fact.  He's averaged over 150 IP over the last 5 seasons.  In two of those seasons--2014 & 2016 when he threw 123 1/3 & 132 innings, respectively-- I'm guessing he was sidelined for a few weeks with an injury but I don't know that 2 DL stints in 5 years marks a guy as injury-prone.  I mean Kyle Hendricks, Jake Arrieta and even Jon Lester lost a month of baseball this year.

That's fair, but his velocity is way down from his peak and he can't strike anybody out, and he doesn't get anywhere near as many groundballs as a dude that strikes out that number of people should get. To be honest I can't see him being an effective reliever either unless it really ups his velocity. He reminds me of when Mat Latos had that hot start for the White Sox last year that was just luck, only his luck ran out in May and Cashner's seems to have made it all year.

I think his velocity would likely tick up if he was working exclusively out of the bullpen.

[Saul Goodman]

WHO WILL BE THE NEW BENCH COACH! I HAVE NOT SEEN ANY RUMORS ABOUT THIS!!!!

[Tonker]

Crazy Rumor Guys predict Darvish to the Cubs and the bullpen getting Reed and McGee.  I wouldn't hate that, assuming they can add another controllable starter.

And, Arrieta to the Brewers.

I'd rather have Jake at 4/100 than Darvish at 6/165.

I'd be very, very surprised to see Jake settle for four years.  I reckon the absolute minimum is five and with his fitness levels, he might even get six.  I'd also be very, very surprised to see him go to the Brewers, because... well, the Brewers.

Darvish, Reed and McGee would do me nicely:

Lester
QSM
Q
Darvish
Tseng

Maples
Hector
Wilson
Pedro
Tits
CJ
Monty
Reed

... wouldn't be awful.

[SKO]

Crazy Rumor Guys predict Darvish to the Cubs and the bullpen getting Reed and McGee.  I wouldn't hate that, assuming they can add another controllable starter.

And, Arrieta to the Brewers.

I'd rather have Jake at 4/100 than Darvish at 6/165.

I'd be very, very surprised to see Jake settle for four years.  I reckon the absolute minimum is five and with his fitness levels, he might even get six.  I'd also be very, very surprised to see him go to the Brewers, because... well, the Brewers.

Darvish, Reed and McGee would do me nicely:

Lester
QSM
Q
Darvish
Tseng

Maples
Hector
Wilson
Pedro
Tits
CJ
Monty
Reed

... wouldn't be awful.

I'd be pretty surprised if Tseng locked down a rotation spot at the start of this year. I still feel like if they go in-house for one of the starters it is more likely to be Montgomery than anything, and then they'd just spend more money to bolster the pen.